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Lidl Cycling | PT 2023 | January Review
Croatia14
How on earth was Peak this cheap? Others must've been tripping Shock
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alexkr00
Yep, I think he is fairly cheap too for a FA. I guess noone really made them one of their top priorities and had other stuff going on and couldn't commit to him.
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jph27
More signings? Why not!


Having made 14 new signings, you would think that our transfers would be slowly coming to an end. Instead, on a day that saw four riders depart, we added another four to our ranks.

Firstly, the two free agents. We wanted to sign a strong puncheur talent this transfers, and after we couldn't quite reach deals for some other riders, we're delighted that Xianjing Lyu is joining the team on a 260k wage. More than we'd have liked perhaps, but a worthwhile investment for the future.

The second free agent is a rider we're committed to developing for this season at least, despite not having the most glamourous maxed statline. Karel Camrda will be loaned out to develop, and we think that in time he will become a great rider for breakaways and a useful domestique. Sure, the headline stats are nothing special, but the support stats make him a rider we think worth helping develop.

But it's the transfer market where the biggest deals have happened since our last update. We were sad to let Steff Cras go, and we didn't exactly enjoy shelling out 1.2m in addition. But for the first time in at least a decade, and possibly the team's history, we have a true superstar leader, as Sean De Bie joins from Fastned. He may be getting older, but we think he'll still be competitive for another few years yet - and hopefully will help us steer clear of relegation this season.

With Cras leaving, we also moved to add another stage racer. For a fee of 600k Ignacio Jesus Prado joins us from Moser-Sygic, and we expect he'll get some leadership opportunities as well as being a key domestique for Barguil on occasion. To help finance this move and some of the others already mentioned, we said goodbye to Louis Meintjes (1.5m to Bralirwa - Stevens), Anthony Turgis (650k to Lampre - Pinarello) Edoardo Affini (450k to MOL) and Stefan De Bod (350k to EA Vesuvio).

That takes us to 18 signings this window, and we're hopeful of making another one or two moves. Is that too many? Let's hope not!

Xianjing Lyu4.8125yoPuncheur€260,000
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Karel Camrda1.0022yoPuncheur€50,000
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68666764697068546671706866
69727366767672546775747368


Sean De Bie4.10032yoPuncheur€630,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
73718472777669687275746568


Ignacio Jesus Prado4.10030yoStage Racer€110,000
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72777374737375616470727078
 
SotD
Lyu is brilliant!

Also interesting pick with Camrda. He actually has a couple of interesting routes where he can get to 70 in all stats except for COB - or he could be forced a bit in either MO/HI or SPR while having solid opposite stats. Brilliant breakaway rider Smile
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AbhishekLFC
Hats off on having the wherewithal to keep everything together after this many moves! And you're still not done Pfft

De Bie is a great signing, while Lyu and the others add fantastic depth!
 
redordead
Man, this is an overhaul if I ever saw one?! Shock

Nice to see you found the motivation to do something new and hopefully De Bie does a better for you than he did for roturn last season.

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jaxika
Congrats. At the transfer sheet, already at the second page? Smile
 
jandal7
As always I really really love the riders being brought in. Peak is so cool, hope he can get some training at some point Grin
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knockout
Very cool rebuild of the squad. Really liking what I'm seeing. Prado and De Bie are two more strong pieces to the picture!
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters!

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DubbelDekker
You've been adding a shit ton of long term value to the team. Nice job!
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liefwarrior
Every single signing you make I'm forced to ask myself why I didn't snatch them up first, an excellent group.
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jph27
Thanks for the kind words everyone! I didn't expect to undertake this kind of rebuild this transfer season, and it's certainly been quite challenging to make work, but hopefully it works out well in the end. Given past performances "works out well" = not fighting relegation, which I suspect will be the aim once again Pfft

And another one!

We thought our transfer business was likely to be over when we made the sales we needed to finance our move for De Bie, which saw team legend Adam Yates sadly leave for 1.1m to Indosat Ooredoo, and Cees Bol join Jura GIANTS for 400k. Yates has been a key part of this team's history, our first rider to win a GT jersey and our first rider to finish on a GT podium, and it will be strange to see him riding in the colours of another team. Maybe we'll bring him back one day, who knows?

However, after attempts to use the spare cap space we had to upgrade the squad in the here and now faltered for various reasons - free agents going beyond our price range and riders no longer being for sale or valued above what we were willing to pay - we found ourselves with space to make another move (at least).

Having checked our calculations, we identified Cedric Bakke Christophersen as the rider with the best future potential remaining on the market, relative to our other talents of his rider type. He joins us on an 85k wage, which we'll pay as he heads out on loan to Jura GIANTS for his first pro season. In the long term we see him as a key part of our hill squad, and perhaps as Bettiol's ultimate replacement.

Cedric Bakke Christophersen1.0022yoPuncheur€85,000
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jph27
One final signing!

After the signing of Bakke Christophersen, we found ourselves with 20k of cap space remaining and having made 19 signings so far this transfer window. 20 seemed a nicer number to end on, so we decided to try and sign a stagiare. After our first two choices were offered full contracts, and our third choice became too expensive, we settled on adding another cobbles talent in Vito Braet. While it currently looks unlikely he'll get a full contract after this season, he was on our list of potential backup signings had we not been able to get Finkst for minimum wage, so may be a rider we return to in future - hence our interest in developing him now.

Vito Braet1.6023yoCobbler€15,000
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jph27
All aboard the training train!

To our surprise we reached the end of the transfer period with enough money left to train one of our riders. Originally we thought we'd be limited to smaller trainings, but happily it turned out our sums were wrong and we actually had more cash in the bank than we thought. We think we've put that money to good use, as Mathieu van der Poel becomes 77 HIL - we look forward to seeing him contribute in his new and improved form this season!

Mathieu van der Poel4.10028yoPuncheur€190,000
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SotD
Surely a mistake that it wasn’t the TT? How Can you live with that 69? Smile
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whitejersey
Impressive transfer season from you, a totally different squad that you now have to work with!
 
DarkWolf
Very nice training session for Van der Poel. I am curious to see him perform.
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AbhishekLFC
MvdP++
 
jph27
Team Presentation

We enter our 12th season having undergone an off-season of significant change. 14 riders left the team between renewals and the end of the transfer period, with 20 joining. Amongst those departing were two of our longest tenured riders in Adam Yates (signed in 2016) and Anthony Turgis (signed in 2017), as well as two of our other leaders going into the transfer season in Louis Meintjes and Rasmus Tiller.

In their place come some big names and exciting talents, but only time will tell if the changes we've made will keep us out of the relegation fight. Either way, we feel like our squad is better prepared for both this season and those to come than it was in 2022, even if it may not necessarily be stronger than it was after renewals.

Stage Racers

Warren Barguil
4.100
32yo
€500,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
70817570777782556475667670

Magnus Cort Nielsen
4.100
30yo
€140,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
72787472767574605471656472

Ignacio Jesus Prado
4.100
30yo
€110,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
72777374737375616470727078

Hamza Mansouri
3.81
24yo
€115,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
72697072757275626873736572
73737376787579626874746576

Derek Gee
3.00
26yo
€60,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
70716770697273586971757168
71757074727577586972767172

Loaned out to Kraftwerk Man Machine
Stavros Theorpanous
1.00
21yo
€50,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
68686867666970666772706866
69757374717477666773716873


Our stage race squad takes on a new look with Meintjes, Yates, Cras and Elosegui departing. In comes Warren Barguil as our main leader for the mountains, for this season at least - we may look to replace him once his decline begins, but we hope he may be useful for another season or two first. Ignacio Jesus Prado is another new signing, and he and Magnus Cort Nielsen will split leadership responsibilities when Barguil isn't present.

Overall this is a weaker climbing setup than we fielded last season, and a lot weaker than our pre-transfers squad looked on paper. But in a few seasons time we hope to have regained some of that strength, as Hamza Mansouri, Derek Gee, and later Stavros Theorpanous (loaned out this season) complete their development. They're not talents on the level of Cras and Elosegui, but they are perhaps better suited to domestique duties - and should hopefully prove easier to fit under the salary cap.

Puncheurs

Sean De Bie
4.100
32yo
€630,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
73718472777669687275746568

Mathieu van der Poel
4.100
28yo
€190,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
73707769787774727277777973

Alberto Bettiol
4.100
30yo
€130,000
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72717768787574667177756867

Xianjing Lyu
4.81
25yo
€260,000
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66737663737472506373717465
67747863757573506475737565

Jay Vine
3.68
28yo
€60,000
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67737164657474616672746268
69777665687677616776786369

Loaned out to Jura GIANTS
Cedric Bakke Christophersen
1.00
22yo
€85,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
66666863687265646668706467
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Loaned out to Lampre - Pinarello
Karel Camrda
1.00
22yo
€50,000
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The highlight of our transfer season was undoubtedly landing one of the world's top puncheurs in Sean De Bie. Like Barguil he's about to begin his decline, but we expect he'll remain our hills leader for at least two or three seasons - even at 32, it's hard to turn down the opportunity to sign a rider of his quality. He'll be supported by two versatile puncheurs in the newly signed and trained Mathieu van der Poel, and one of the few remaining members of our promotion winning squad, Alberto Bettiol.

Despite De Bie's decline being imminent, the future of our hills squad looks bright. In Xianjing Lyu we managed to sign one of the top talents available in free agency, though his long term future remains a question mark given van der Poel and Bettiol still have a few seasons left at their peak. Jay Vine will be an explosive climber/puncheur hybrid when he finishes his development, and a breakaway threat from next season on. Additionally, we managed to add two talents we've sent out on loan - Cedric Bakke Christophersen is a rider we anticipate sticking with us for the long term, while Karel Camrda may find it harder to carve out a future role, but may get a chance if he shows promise as a breakaway rider.

Time Trialists

Alexandor Cataford
4.100
30yo
€145,000
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74727079757573676069677179

Nikita Razumov
4.100
27yo
€90,000
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74637079757273566466706579

Jhonatan Casillas
2.70
28yo
€50,000
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67636471676965546173667271
68696877717371546174677277

Loaned out to Jura GIANTS
Scott Davies
1.60
28yo
€50,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
64686669676868556168636569
65757176727375556169646576


We made adding another top tier time trialist alongside Alexandor Cataford a priority this window, and were delighted to land Nikita Razumov. While Razumov is a weaker all rounder than Cataford, we think he may have room for improvement in future while also being able to contribute straight away.

Jhonatan Casillas and Scott Davies (loaned out this season) are two older riders we're pleased to give a chance to develop. In the longer term we expect only one to stay with the team, and given his greater strength going uphill currently think that will be Davies, but for now we're glad to be developing both.

Cobblers

Gianni Vermeersch
4.100
31yo
€90,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
77637061747866757472607863

Jodok Salzmann
4.100
28yo
€105,000
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73637164777671776771706964

Jake Stewart
3.22
24yo
€55,000
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73627068697364717270666770
77627268747773767671676870

Stagiaire
Vito Braet
1.60
23yo
€15,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
69606658707163686867626064
74606758757564757267626064

Loaned out to Team Würth MODYF
Tilen Finkst
2.47
28yo
€50,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
72626765696965706870677264
76626865737366767270677264


After a few years of trying to be competitive on the cobbles following the signing of Rasmus Tiller, we've changed approach this season. Signing Gianni Vermeersch is a perfect example of our new cobbles strategy - getting riders who can contribute in breakaways or as part of our sprint train, rather than one dimensional riders who can only score in 20 racedays or so each season. Vermeersch and Jodok Salzmann will try to sneak a few surprise results in the cobbled races we do ride, although this is the area of the squad we're likely to be most keen to upgrade in future.

Part of that upgrade is likely to come when Jake Stewart completes his development. If possible we'd hope to do some training beyond that, to turn him into the first top cobbles rider in our colours since Jerome Baugnies. Vito Braet joins us as a stagiaire later in the season, for what is likely to be brief stay to help him develop, while Tilen Finkst (loaned out this season) may get longer to develop given his higher development potential, despite being 5 years older.

Sprinters

Salem Kemboi
4.100
28yo
€330,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
78626463747781508080616881

Barnabas Peak
4.100
25yo
€210,000
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80646967737777617878646874

David Dekker
4.99
25yo
€75,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
75616560797669727574666461
77616660807873727776666463

Patompob Phonarjthan
2.30
26yo
€50,000
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPR
68606362667165537171646663
74616462707676557877646767


Salem Kemboi becomes our longest tenured rider with Yates and Turgis leaving the team, having joined us back in 2017. He'll once again lead us in the sprints, hoping to benefit from the steady decline in the number of top tier fastmen. Barnabas Peak joins as the long term replacement for Kemboi, and is a very similar rider that we have high hopes for even before any future training plans are able to be realised.

In David Dekker we've added a rider we think will become an elite leadout man, although he may become a cap casualty when he maxes given past experience with talented sprinters. Patompob Phonarjthan was a little bit of a wildcard signing as our second sprinter talent, and may not be the most secure rider on the team in the long term, but we're excited to see what he can bring as he develops.

Full Roster


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De Bie737184727776696872757465684.10032
Barguil708175707777825564756676704.10032
Kemboi786264637477815080806168814.10028
van der Poel737077697877747272777779734.10028
Cataford747270797575736760696771794.10030
Bettiol727177687875746671777568674.10030
Peak806469677377776178786468744.10025
Cort Nielsen727874727675746054716564724.10030
Salzmann736371647776717767717069644.10028
Prado727773747373756164707270784.10030
Vermeersch776370617478667574726078634.10031
Razumov746370797572735664667065794.10027
Lyu667376637374725063737174654.8125
Dekker756165607976697275746664614.9925
Vine677371646574746166727462683.6828
Mansouri726970727572756268737365723.4324
Stewart736270686973647172706667703.2224
Gee707167706972735869717571683.0026
Phonarjthan686063626671655371716466632.3026
Casillas676364716769655461736672712.7028

Stagiaire:
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Braet696066587071636868676260641.6023

Loaned Out:
FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Finkst726267656969657068706772642.4728
Theorpanous686868676669706667727068661.0021
Camrda686667646970685466717068661.0022
Christophersen666668636872656466687064671.0022
Davies646866696768685561686365691.6028
 
SotD
Might be a mistake at my end when making development plans for Jay Vine, but I had him at 78MO 76HI, not "only" 77MO. Smile
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