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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 14:58
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I can hardly consider people who died that way like heroes or people who should be honoured in any special way, they were just where they shouldn't when they shouldn't.
There have been millions of people who died in ways that are as unfair since then, and they're not honoured in any way (or any topic  ). Maybe 7 years later it's not worth victimising ourselves (western people) too much ?
Go to hell
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:07
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Why? Because he is right?
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:09
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No, because he talks only about some of the people, what about all of the firefighters that ran into that damn building when it was falling to the ground.
Why can't you talk about that?
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:10
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t-baum wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I can hardly consider people who died that way like heroes or people who should be honoured in any special way, they were just where they shouldn't when they shouldn't.
There have been millions of people who died in ways that are as unfair since then, and they're not honoured in any way (or any topic ). Maybe 7 years later it's not worth victimising ourselves (western people) too much ?
Go to hell
There is no logical reason for you to react like that. You're just doing that because the media's got in your head that if you don't you're a "commie" and a "left-wing nut" and you hate america, or some other stupid crap. Stop listening to what they tell you to feel and THINK!
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:12
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issoisso wrote:
t-baum wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I can hardly consider people who died that way like heroes or people who should be honoured in any special way, they were just where they shouldn't when they shouldn't.
There have been millions of people who died in ways that are as unfair since then, and they're not honoured in any way (or any topic ). Maybe 7 years later it's not worth victimising ourselves (western people) too much ?
Go to hell
There is no logical reason for you to react like that. You're just doing that because the media's got in your head that if you don't you're a "commie" and a "left-wing nut" and you hate america, or some other stupid crap. Stop listening to what they tell you to feel and THINK!
I am going with what i feel, and i feel that there was some super brave people that went into that building that day, PERIOD.
Macquet wrote:
"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:13
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t-baum wrote:
No, because he talks only about some of the people, what about all of the firefighters that ran into that damn building when it was falling to the ground.
Why can't you talk about that? It's their job... Of course it's always sad, but given the number of victims that day (I mean civilians), was there a bigger proportion of dead firefighters than in any of their action wherever around the world ? Doubtful... |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:16
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Aquarius wrote:
t-baum wrote:
No, because he talks only about some of the people, what about all of the firefighters that ran into that damn building when it was falling to the ground.
Why can't you talk about that? It's their job... Of course it's always sad, but given the number of victims that day (I mean civilians), was there a bigger proportion of dead firefighters than in any of their action wherever around the world ? Doubtful...
It's there job yes, but if i put a burning 90 story(or however tall it was) building infront of you would you run in there with no disregard to yourself?
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:17
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That's not the point. The point is that it's horrible to "celebrate" such an event every year and completely ignore tragedies that happen every day where numbers of people die that make september eleventh look like a simple car accident.
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:18
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t-baum wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
t-baum wrote:
No, because he talks only about some of the people, what about all of the firefighters that ran into that damn building when it was falling to the ground.
Why can't you talk about that? It's their job... Of course it's always sad, but given the number of victims that day (I mean civilians), was there a bigger proportion of dead firefighters than in any of their action wherever around the world ? Doubtful...
It's there job yes, but if i put a burning 90 story(or however tall it was) building infront of you would you run in there with no disregard to yourself? Well no, I'm French, so I'm coward.
More seriously, there are firefighters who die doing their job every day, they know they're risking their lives every time they get a mission. Sometimes it happens. Real life does not always have happy endings like in Hollywood movies.
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:21
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issoisso wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that it's horrible to "celebrate" such an event every year and completely ignore tragedies that happen every day where numbers of people die that make september eleventh look like a simple car accident.
Celebrate? No, Commemorate? yes.
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:27
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t-baum wrote:
issoisso wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that it's horrible to "celebrate" such an event every year and completely ignore tragedies that happen every day where numbers of people die that make september eleventh look like a simple car accident.
Celebrate? No, Commemorate? yes.
Someone who writes "there" instead of "they're" can hardly have the moral to correct my grammar.
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:29
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t-baum wrote:
issoisso wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that it's horrible to "celebrate" such an event every year and completely ignore tragedies that happen every day where numbers of people die that make september eleventh look like a simple car accident.
Celebrate? No, Commemorate? yes. For how long again ? It's been seven years already. Will you still do it in 10 years ? 50 years ?
Although this one was probably the most symbolical and one of the biggest terrorist attack ever, it surely wasn't the first one ever, yet you don't commemorate the victims of every single terrorist attack, do you ?
The number of people who died that day is just a water drop in the ocean of people dying every day in tragic ways, that's what we're pointing at.
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Posted on 13-09-2008 15:29
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issoisso wrote:
t-baum wrote:
issoisso wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that it's horrible to "celebrate" such an event every year and completely ignore tragedies that happen every day where numbers of people die that make september eleventh look like a simple car accident.
Celebrate? No, Commemorate? yes.
Someone who writes "there" instead of "they're" can hardly have the moral to correct my grammar.
I'm not correcting your grammar.
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:35
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issoisso wrote:
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These are social views, not political ones.
Call it whatever you want. War is political so comments on the war are political comments. Either way it doesn't belong here. |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:40
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Aquarius wrote:
I can hardly consider people who died that way like heroes or people who should be honoured in any special way, they were just where they shouldn't when they shouldn't.
There have been millions of people who died in ways that are as unfair since then, and they're not honoured in any way (or any topic ). Maybe 7 years later it's not worth victimising ourselves (western people) too much ?
So those people should have have been at their jobs in the morning trying to make a living when terrorists slammed a plane into their building. My bad. Brilliant Aquarius. Also, according to your logic we should forget about the Holocaust victims and survivors. I mean it has been something like 60 years and think about all the people who have died since then. |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:46
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[b]issoisso wrote:
There is no logical reason for you to react like that. You're just doing that because the media's got in your head that if you don't you're a "commie" and a "left-wing nut" and you hate america, or some other stupid crap. Stop listening to what they tell you to feel and THINK![/quote]
Well, issoisso, with all due respect because I appreciate all your cycling knowledge and help, I do THINK, I do READ, and I do arrive at conclusions using reason. Thanks for telling me that the commie, left wing nuts have got into my head to make me want to go to war. I thought the terrorists did that to me when they slammed four planes into three buildings and an empty field not far from where I live. I think he is perfectly fine with the Go to Hell reaction. He was clearly addressing the insensitive and uniformed remarks from Aquarius. |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:46
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Also, according to your logic we should forget about the Holocaust victims and survivors. I mean it has been something like 60 years and think about all the people who have died since then.
ABridgeTooFar, that is 'AComparisonTooFar' and not according to Aquarius' logic at all. From what I can tell, Aquarius is talking about how 9/11 gets much more attention than events/attacks on a similar scale.
According to Wikipedia:
9/11 deaths: Around 3000
Holocaust deaths: 9-11 million
Not really on the same scale are they?
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:47
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Aquarius wrote:
t-baum wrote:
No, because he talks only about some of the people, what about all of the firefighters that ran into that damn building when it was falling to the ground.
Why can't you talk about that? It's their job... Of course it's always sad, but given the number of victims that day (I mean civilians), was there a bigger proportion of dead firefighters than in any of their action wherever around the world ? Doubtful...
Their job does not include getting killed. It is a risk yes, but not a requirement. |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:50
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
I do THINK, I do READ
1. That wasn't aimed at you, quite clearly.
2. No you quite clearly don't, as this shows:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Thanks for telling me that the commie, left wing nuts have got into my head to make me want to go to war.
considering I never said anything of the sort to t-baum. much less to you. So although it wasn't aimed at you, it will be this time: THINK and READ 
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I thought the terrorists did that to me when they slammed four planes into three buildings and an empty field not far from where I live. I think he is perfectly fine with the Go to Hell reaction. He was clearly addressing the insensitive and uniformed remarks from Aquarius.
Insensitive and uninformed? Stating that you're ignoring hundreds of millions of deaths in holocausts every year to focus on a single small incident is insensitive and uninformed? Whaaaaaaaaaa?
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Posted on 13-09-2008 17:53
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Also, according to your logic we should forget about the Holocaust victims and survivors. I mean it has been something like 60 years and think about all the people who have died since then.
ABridgeTooFar, that is 'AComparisonTooFar' and not according to Aquarius' logic at all. From what I can tell, Aquarius is talking about how 9/11 gets much more attention than events/attacks on a similar scale.
According to Wikipedia:
9/11 deaths: Around 3000
Holocaust deaths: 9-11 million
Not really on the same scale are they?
So it is about numbers then? Tell me how many people (I say people because more than Americans were killed that day) have to die before we can go to the international community with our honoring of the the dead. Let us know because we won't bother you until we reach a catastrophe of that size. Reminds me of the begining of the AIDS outbreak in the early 80's when the medical community would not devote money for research because the disease had not killed enough people. Also, I was debating his comment regarding that "ithas been seven years".
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