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Milano San Remo 2017
Avin Wargunnson
Oh shit, imagine all those "Gaviria woud have won if it was not for the injury" posts incoming. This thread gave me brain cancer already with all the unfounded hype, now it will be even worse. Pfft
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Avin Wargunnson
Paul23 wrote:
Tony is not in the startlist. He could've won it.
Damn Katusha...

I hope for Degenkolb, Gaviria or Cavendish, but I think with Sagan it depends on his daily form. He's the man to beat, but it wouldn't surprise me, to see him getting dropped.


Sagan dropped during MSR and Tony could have won it?

Sure. :lol:
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Avin Wargunnson
Guess two riders with their wins when they were 22 years and 6 months old.

Rider nr.1:

15 Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta - Stage 1 2.HC 2017-02-15
14 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 4 2.1 2017-01-26
13 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 1 2.1 2017-01-23
12 Paris - Tours Elite 1.HC 2016-10-09
11 Primus Classic Impanis - Van Petegem 1.HC 2016-09-17
10 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 2.UWT 2016-07-15
9 Tour de Pologne - Stage 2 2.UWT 2016-07-13
8 Tirreno - Adriatico - Stage 3 2.UWT 2016-03-11
7 Tour Cycliste International La Provence - Stage 3 2.1 2016-02-25
6 Tour de San Luis - Stage 2 2.1 2016-01-19
5 Tour of Britain - Stage 4 2.HC 2015-09-09
4 Czech Cycling Tour - Stage 2 2.1 2015-08-14
3 Tour de San Luis - Stage 3 2.1 2015-01-21
2 Tour de San Luis - Stage 1 2.1 2015-01-19
1 Champ. Panaméricain en ligne / Panamerican Champ. RR - MU CC 2014-05-10

Rider nr.2:

36 Tour de France - Stage 6 WT 2012-07-06
35 Tour de France - Stage 3 WT 2012-07-03
34 Tour de France - Stage 1 WT 2012-07-01
33 National Championships Road Race NC 2012-06-24
32 Tour de Suisse - Stage 5 WT 2012-06-14
31 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2012-06-12
30 Tour de Suisse - Stage 2 WT 2012-06-11
29 Tour de Suisse - Prologue WT 2012-06-09
28 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 8 2.HC 2012-05-20
27 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 2.HC 2012-05-16
26 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 3 2.HC 2012-05-15
25 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-05-14
24 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-05-13
23 Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-03-27
22 Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 4 WT 2012-03-10
21 Tour Of Oman - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-02-15
20 GP Industria & Commercio di Prato 1.1 2011-09-18
19 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 20 WT 2011-09-11
18 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 11 WT 2011-09-01
17 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-25
16 Tour de Pologne WT 2011-08-06
15 Tour de Pologne - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-04
14 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 WT 2011-08-03
13 NC Road Race NC 2011-06-26
12 Tour de Suisse - Stage 8 WT 2011-06-18
11 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2011-06-13
10 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2011-05-19
9 Giro di Sardegna 2.1 2011-02-26
8 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 4 2.1 2011-02-25
7 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 3 2.1 2011-02-24
6 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 1 2.1 2011-02-22
5 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 6 2.HC 2010-05-21
4 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-05-20
3 Tour de Romandie - Stage 2 PT 2010-04-28
2 Paris - Nice - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-03-12
1 Paris - Nice - Stage 3 2.HC 2010-03-10

Case closed Cool
I'll be back
 
Croatia14
Avin has a point there Grin
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Shonak
My mate Avin obviously feeling desperate ahead of MSR, why else would he post unnecessarcy data about the riders. More point in comparing Gaviria to Ewan, same generation and whatnot. Then again, it must be hard seeing Sagan fail so many times in MSR over the years so I can understand that the nerves give in when Gaviria is coming for you. Frown Pfft

Nice how you leave out btw that Gaviria didn't even race 2014 nor 2015 full on the road (track duties, neo pro etc) and hasn't even started a GT yet at all. 2016 was basically his first full road year, still he split it with track goals (WC, Olympics). So, there's talent, and then there's opportunitiy. But don't worry about it, Gaviria will stack up his win count faster than you'd think it possible. Maybe it's time for a nice little graphic after the Giro to highlight Sagan's zero Giro wins hm blaster-foren.de/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.blaster/scratchchin.gif
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Ollfardh
Bouhanni to win in a dirty sprint, no one is happy Smile
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Forever the Best
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guess two riders with their wins when they were 22 years and 6 months old.

Rider nr.1:

15 Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta - Stage 1 2.HC 2017-02-15
14 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 4 2.1 2017-01-26
13 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 1 2.1 2017-01-23
12 Paris - Tours Elite 1.HC 2016-10-09
11 Primus Classic Impanis - Van Petegem 1.HC 2016-09-17
10 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 2.UWT 2016-07-15
9 Tour de Pologne - Stage 2 2.UWT 2016-07-13
8 Tirreno - Adriatico - Stage 3 2.UWT 2016-03-11
7 Tour Cycliste International La Provence - Stage 3 2.1 2016-02-25
6 Tour de San Luis - Stage 2 2.1 2016-01-19
5 Tour of Britain - Stage 4 2.HC 2015-09-09
4 Czech Cycling Tour - Stage 2 2.1 2015-08-14
3 Tour de San Luis - Stage 3 2.1 2015-01-21
2 Tour de San Luis - Stage 1 2.1 2015-01-19
1 Champ. Panaméricain en ligne / Panamerican Champ. RR - MU CC 2014-05-10

Rider nr.2:

36 Tour de France - Stage 6 WT 2012-07-06
35 Tour de France - Stage 3 WT 2012-07-03
34 Tour de France - Stage 1 WT 2012-07-01
33 National Championships Road Race NC 2012-06-24
32 Tour de Suisse - Stage 5 WT 2012-06-14
31 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2012-06-12
30 Tour de Suisse - Stage 2 WT 2012-06-11
29 Tour de Suisse - Prologue WT 2012-06-09
28 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 8 2.HC 2012-05-20
27 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 2.HC 2012-05-16
26 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 3 2.HC 2012-05-15
25 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-05-14
24 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-05-13
23 Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-03-27
22 Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 4 WT 2012-03-10
21 Tour Of Oman - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-02-15
20 GP Industria & Commercio di Prato 1.1 2011-09-18
19 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 20 WT 2011-09-11
18 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 11 WT 2011-09-01
17 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-25
16 Tour de Pologne WT 2011-08-06
15 Tour de Pologne - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-04
14 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 WT 2011-08-03
13 NC Road Race NC 2011-06-26
12 Tour de Suisse - Stage 8 WT 2011-06-18
11 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2011-06-13
10 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2011-05-19
9 Giro di Sardegna 2.1 2011-02-26
8 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 4 2.1 2011-02-25
7 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 3 2.1 2011-02-24
6 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 1 2.1 2011-02-22
5 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 6 2.HC 2010-05-21
4 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-05-20
3 Tour de Romandie - Stage 2 PT 2010-04-28
2 Paris - Nice - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-03-12
1 Paris - Nice - Stage 3 2.HC 2010-03-10

Case closed Cool

Andy Schleck in 25 years of age had a monument, 3 GT podiums, and 2 TDF stage under his belt while Froome's biggest win was Giro del Capo. Now look at the palmares of the two.
 
Tamijo
Maby Sagan won't win this one,

But do you (anyone) wanna bet their MG-Team against mine (the one I'am goint to get Wink that Sagan will have 25% more CQ points earned over the next 35 days - than any other so called favorite.

Pfft
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EBH wins. 100% sure. Smile
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Forever the Best
I would have picked Gaviria for the win if not for his injury. Though Sagan and Demare look in superb form too. Degenkolb should be very good as well. Kristoff I have more doubts since he started the season pretty slow. Matthews, Colbrelli, and Bouhanni are dark horses in a sprint. Boasson Hagen was pretty good in Strade but he will probably not survive the long distance.

Van Avermaet, Kwiatkowski, Felline, and Wellens should be pretty aggressive in the race, would love to see those 4 going on the attack (with Alaphilippe and Gilbert following but they will probably just mark the moves if Gaviria is fine). Sagan will probably mark the moves as well or maybe he will just wait for the strong teams to close the gap.

I want Phil, Wellens, Tommeke, Gaviria or Felline to win though _O_
 
Avin Wargunnson
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guess two riders with their wins when they were 22 years and 6 months old.

Rider nr.1:

15 Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta - Stage 1 2.HC 2017-02-15
14 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 4 2.1 2017-01-26
13 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 1 2.1 2017-01-23
12 Paris - Tours Elite 1.HC 2016-10-09
11 Primus Classic Impanis - Van Petegem 1.HC 2016-09-17
10 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 2.UWT 2016-07-15
9 Tour de Pologne - Stage 2 2.UWT 2016-07-13
8 Tirreno - Adriatico - Stage 3 2.UWT 2016-03-11
7 Tour Cycliste International La Provence - Stage 3 2.1 2016-02-25
6 Tour de San Luis - Stage 2 2.1 2016-01-19
5 Tour of Britain - Stage 4 2.HC 2015-09-09
4 Czech Cycling Tour - Stage 2 2.1 2015-08-14
3 Tour de San Luis - Stage 3 2.1 2015-01-21
2 Tour de San Luis - Stage 1 2.1 2015-01-19
1 Champ. Panaméricain en ligne / Panamerican Champ. RR - MU CC 2014-05-10

Rider nr.2:

36 Tour de France - Stage 6 WT 2012-07-06
35 Tour de France - Stage 3 WT 2012-07-03
34 Tour de France - Stage 1 WT 2012-07-01
33 National Championships Road Race NC 2012-06-24
32 Tour de Suisse - Stage 5 WT 2012-06-14
31 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2012-06-12
30 Tour de Suisse - Stage 2 WT 2012-06-11
29 Tour de Suisse - Prologue WT 2012-06-09
28 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 8 2.HC 2012-05-20
27 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 2.HC 2012-05-16
26 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 3 2.HC 2012-05-15
25 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-05-14
24 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-05-13
23 Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-03-27
22 Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 4 WT 2012-03-10
21 Tour Of Oman - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-02-15
20 GP Industria & Commercio di Prato 1.1 2011-09-18
19 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 20 WT 2011-09-11
18 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 11 WT 2011-09-01
17 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-25
16 Tour de Pologne WT 2011-08-06
15 Tour de Pologne - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-04
14 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 WT 2011-08-03
13 NC Road Race NC 2011-06-26
12 Tour de Suisse - Stage 8 WT 2011-06-18
11 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2011-06-13
10 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2011-05-19
9 Giro di Sardegna 2.1 2011-02-26
8 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 4 2.1 2011-02-25
7 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 3 2.1 2011-02-24
6 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 1 2.1 2011-02-22
5 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 6 2.HC 2010-05-21
4 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-05-20
3 Tour de Romandie - Stage 2 PT 2010-04-28
2 Paris - Nice - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-03-12
1 Paris - Nice - Stage 3 2.HC 2010-03-10

Case closed Cool

Andy Schleck in 25 years of age had a monument, 3 GT podiums, and 2 TDF stage under his belt while Froome's biggest win was Giro del Capo. Now look at the palmares of the two.

Are you trying to imply that Gaviria is destined to have better career palmares than Sagan? Wet towel on the head should help, at least for a while. For a start, Gaviria is not able to win anything significant without help of great team...and Sagan is just coming to his prime, he was only heating up last few years.
I'll be back
 
Forever the Best
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guess two riders with their wins when they were 22 years and 6 months old.

Rider nr.1:

15 Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta - Stage 1 2.HC 2017-02-15
14 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 4 2.1 2017-01-26
13 Vuelta Ciclista a la Provincia de San Juan - Stage 1 2.1 2017-01-23
12 Paris - Tours Elite 1.HC 2016-10-09
11 Primus Classic Impanis - Van Petegem 1.HC 2016-09-17
10 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 2.UWT 2016-07-15
9 Tour de Pologne - Stage 2 2.UWT 2016-07-13
8 Tirreno - Adriatico - Stage 3 2.UWT 2016-03-11
7 Tour Cycliste International La Provence - Stage 3 2.1 2016-02-25
6 Tour de San Luis - Stage 2 2.1 2016-01-19
5 Tour of Britain - Stage 4 2.HC 2015-09-09
4 Czech Cycling Tour - Stage 2 2.1 2015-08-14
3 Tour de San Luis - Stage 3 2.1 2015-01-21
2 Tour de San Luis - Stage 1 2.1 2015-01-19
1 Champ. Panaméricain en ligne / Panamerican Champ. RR - MU CC 2014-05-10

Rider nr.2:

36 Tour de France - Stage 6 WT 2012-07-06
35 Tour de France - Stage 3 WT 2012-07-03
34 Tour de France - Stage 1 WT 2012-07-01
33 National Championships Road Race NC 2012-06-24
32 Tour de Suisse - Stage 5 WT 2012-06-14
31 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2012-06-12
30 Tour de Suisse - Stage 2 WT 2012-06-11
29 Tour de Suisse - Prologue WT 2012-06-09
28 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 8 2.HC 2012-05-20
27 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 2.HC 2012-05-16
26 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 3 2.HC 2012-05-15
25 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-05-14
24 Amgen Tour of California - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-05-13
23 Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde - Stage 1 2.HC 2012-03-27
22 Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 4 WT 2012-03-10
21 Tour Of Oman - Stage 2 2.HC 2012-02-15
20 GP Industria & Commercio di Prato 1.1 2011-09-18
19 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 20 WT 2011-09-11
18 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 11 WT 2011-09-01
17 Vuelta a Espana - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-25
16 Tour de Pologne WT 2011-08-06
15 Tour de Pologne - Stage 5 WT 2011-08-04
14 Tour de Pologne - Stage 4 WT 2011-08-03
13 NC Road Race NC 2011-06-26
12 Tour de Suisse - Stage 8 WT 2011-06-18
11 Tour de Suisse - Stage 3 WT 2011-06-13
10 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2011-05-19
9 Giro di Sardegna 2.1 2011-02-26
8 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 4 2.1 2011-02-25
7 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 3 2.1 2011-02-24
6 Giro di Sardegna - Stage 1 2.1 2011-02-22
5 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 6 2.HC 2010-05-21
4 Amgen Tour Of California - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-05-20
3 Tour de Romandie - Stage 2 PT 2010-04-28
2 Paris - Nice - Stage 5 2.HC 2010-03-12
1 Paris - Nice - Stage 3 2.HC 2010-03-10

Case closed Cool

Andy Schleck in 25 years of age had a monument, 3 GT podiums, and 2 TDF stage under his belt while Froome's biggest win was Giro del Capo. Now look at the palmares of the two.

Are you trying to imply that Gaviria is destined to have better career palmares than Sagan? Wet towel on the head should help, at least for a while. For a start, Gaviria is not able to win anything significant without help of great team...and Sagan is just coming to his prime, he was only heating up last few years.
Umm, no. I didn't say anything like it. I just say that the palmares at age 22 isn't everything and many things can happen. Perhaps Sagan will win all 5 monuments while Gaviria disappoints, or Gaviria becomes a better Freire while Sagan disappoints. And yes, Sagan is a lot stronger this year. But I think in a sprint Gaviria is better than him.
 
ringo182
The Schleck Fan wrote:
I would have picked Gaviria for the win if not for his injury. Though Sagan and Demare look in superb form too. Degenkolb should be very good as well. Kristoff I have more doubts since he started the season pretty slow. Matthews, Colbrelli, and Bouhanni are dark horses in a sprint. Boasson Hagen was pretty good in Strade but he will probably not survive the long distance.

Van Avermaet, Kwiatkowski, Felline, and Wellens should be pretty aggressive in the race, would love to see those 4 going on the attack (with Alaphilippe and Gilbert following but they will probably just mark the moves if Gaviria is fine). Sagan will probably mark the moves as well or maybe he will just wait for the strong teams to close the gap.

I want Phil, Wellens, Tommeke, Gaviria or Felline to win though _O_


What about Swift? Not done much this year but 2 podiums in 3 yeas means he must be considered amongst those you've mentioned.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
 
Paul23
ringo182 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
I would have picked Gaviria for the win if not for his injury. Though Sagan and Demare look in superb form too. Degenkolb should be very good as well. Kristoff I have more doubts since he started the season pretty slow. Matthews, Colbrelli, and Bouhanni are dark horses in a sprint. Boasson Hagen was pretty good in Strade but he will probably not survive the long distance.

Van Avermaet, Kwiatkowski, Felline, and Wellens should be pretty aggressive in the race, would love to see those 4 going on the attack (with Alaphilippe and Gilbert following but they will probably just mark the moves if Gaviria is fine). Sagan will probably mark the moves as well or maybe he will just wait for the strong teams to close the gap.

I want Phil, Wellens, Tommeke, Gaviria or Felline to win though _O_


What about Swift? Not done much this year but 2 podiums in 3 yeas means he must be considered amongst those you've mentioned.


Nah. Swift was lucky.
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Forever the Best
ringo182 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
I would have picked Gaviria for the win if not for his injury. Though Sagan and Demare look in superb form too. Degenkolb should be very good as well. Kristoff I have more doubts since he started the season pretty slow. Matthews, Colbrelli, and Bouhanni are dark horses in a sprint. Boasson Hagen was pretty good in Strade but he will probably not survive the long distance.

Van Avermaet, Kwiatkowski, Felline, and Wellens should be pretty aggressive in the race, would love to see those 4 going on the attack (with Alaphilippe and Gilbert following but they will probably just mark the moves if Gaviria is fine). Sagan will probably mark the moves as well or maybe he will just wait for the strong teams to close the gap.

I want Phil, Wellens, Tommeke, Gaviria or Felline to win though _O_


What about Swift? Not done much this year but 2 podiums in 3 yeas means he must be considered amongst those you've mentioned.

I thought of adding him as well but he has less chances than the likes I mentioned in the first paragraph, also he didn't start his season with stage podiums which he did last year. And he mostly comes in at 2nd-3rd placesPfft
 
Kalach
GVA for the win Grin
 
Riis123
GAVIRIA INJURED? who cares??!! Wins anyway

If he really is bad:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/wat...X9Z0DI

ZIETDENTOM
 
Riis123
Why am I turning into a Quick Step-fan?
 
knasen
I am thinking of Viviani as a outsider. No win this year, but okey in T-A and in Dubai Tour.
 
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deek12345
Bouhanni will win Smile
 
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