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| chuckie |
Posted on 07-04-2008 17:40
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I disagree, he doesn't seem like a good "leader"
Yeah,strikes me as a selfish rider,which isn't a bad thing..i mean he'll get the results,but as a leader....Sanchez might do it for me
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Posted on 07-04-2008 19:16
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I would have Contador out of the current lot. As for past riders Lance Armstrong 7 tours do i need to say more. If it wasnt a pro team then i guess basso would be a good shout as i believe he is not allowed to ride in a pro tour team for 2 years after his ban. |
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Posted on 07-04-2008 19:19
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He is not allowed to ride for a UCI registered team (so all pro teams at any level) at all, but his suspension is up at the end of this season. |
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Posted on 07-04-2008 19:23
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What ratate means is that Basso can't ride for a Pro Tour team after his suspension due to the Ethical Codex of the Pro Tour teams. |
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Posted on 07-04-2008 19:42
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CrueTrue wrote:
What ratate means is that Basso can't ride for a Pro Tour team after his suspension due to the Ethical Codex of the Pro Tour teams.
A bit of a farce when you consider the riders who have been caught before but allowed to return to pro tour level after 2 years  |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 07-04-2008 20:14
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chuckie wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
I disagree, he doesn't seem like a good "leader"
Yeah,strikes me as a selfish rider,which isn't a bad thing..i mean he'll get the results,but as a leader....Sanchez might do it for me
Well, he was a good enough leader to win the Tour.
When it comes down to it, Lance was a selfish guy too. It worked pretty well for him. Indurain was selfish too.
I'm not sure what you mean by leader. To me it's the guy who everyone on the team works for in the biggest races. It's not the "great clubhouse guy" to pull a phrase from baseball. It's the guy the entire team is built around.
You may want some older guys to provide guidance... but they aren't the team leaders... they're experienced helpers. |
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Posted on 07-04-2008 20:25
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KurtinSC wrote:
When it comes down to it, Lance was a selfish guy too. It worked pretty well for him. Indurain was selfish too.
Heeeeck no. Induráin is possibly the most unselfish example you can find. Lance is the perfect example of a selfish person though.
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I'm not sure what you mean by leader. To me it's the guy who everyone on the team works for in the biggest races. It's not the "great clubhouse guy" to pull a phrase from baseball. It's the guy the entire team is built around.
You may want some older guys to provide guidance... but they aren't the team leaders... they're experienced helpers.
The guys who provide guidance aren't necessarily the ones making decisions. In the T-Mobile team of 2005 and 2006, Kessler called all the shots and tactical decisions. Yes, Kessler. Explains a lot, doesn't it?
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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Posted on 07-04-2008 21:33
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Lance was not completely selfish, because for the tour he was the complete and absolute leader, but for the rest of the season he was practically a domestique.
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Posted on 07-04-2008 21:36
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Deadpool wrote:
Lance was not completely selfish, because for the tour he was the complete and absolute leader, but for the rest of the season he was practically a domestique.
He demanded control over everything. He even decided what brand of coffee the team drank.
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Posted on 07-04-2008 21:40
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Yes, off the road he was, but not always on it (plus, I heard a story about Ekimov getting pissed at how much of a control freak he was, and throwing a ridiculously idiotic looking proto-type hat for the team to wear in the trash, and then cursing at him in Russian  ) |
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Posted on 07-04-2008 21:43
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Deadpool wrote:
Yes, off the road he was, but not always on it
yeah, but leadership is much more than just on the road.
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(plus, I heard a story about Ekimov getting pissed at how much of a control freak he was, and throwing a ridiculously idiotic looking proto-type hat for the team to wear in the trash, and then cursing at him in Russian )
That's funny
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Posted on 07-04-2008 23:14
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Vladamir Karpets!
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 07-04-2008 23:30
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Solid choice, but I think there are better |
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Posted on 08-04-2008 19:11
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i would choose Di Luca. one of the best in the hills and the mountains.
(although i know there is the possibillity of him taking EPO or something like that in de case of "oil for drugs" right? |
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Posted on 10-04-2008 02:33
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KurtinSC wrote:
When it comes down to it, Lance was a selfish guy too. It worked pretty well for him. Indurain was selfish too.
Here is a great quote from Boardman that sums up the Miguel Indurain as a human being -
"Indurain makes me sick because he's actually a really nice guy. You can't actually work yourself up, there's no hate involved, no anger. He's a really nice bloke and a true champion." — Chris Boardman |
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Posted on 10-04-2008 08:09
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Contador all the way |
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Posted on 10-04-2008 18:34
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Why, he might get you some good results, but you can't depend on him as a leader, the way you could depend on a Boonen or Leipheimer |
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Posted on 10-04-2008 18:34
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Why, he might get you some good results, but you can't depend on him as a leader, the way you could depend on a Bonnen or Leipheimer |
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Posted on 10-04-2008 18:36
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So Leipheimer, 3rd in last years tour, makes a better team leader than Contador, 1st in last years tour? Eh?
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Posted on 10-04-2008 18:59
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Leader, not rider SN, he was well liked by all his teammates at Gerolsteiner and Discovery |
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