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| dave92 |
Posted on 12-03-2008 23:18
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rodda wrote:
Soler should not have more votes then anyone up there except for perhaps pereiro or moreau.
I agree, Piepoli should at least be an option, I guess thats the leading "other"
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| nxtfabian |
Posted on 13-03-2008 20:20
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I see no Gesink, but he's climbing like an angel this year.
Also, why no votes for Sastre? As a climber, he's one of the most talented and consistent there is. Soler doesn't know what he's doing yet. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:04
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Soler doesnt know what hes doing? I think a TDF win, a few smaller races this year hell have a good idea what he should doing...  |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:40
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Gesink rode well in Cali, but that still wasn't enough, and I posted this thread before his ride today with Cadel.
Also, although he is a great rider, I would still put Dekker before him, as Gesink could just be (and in my view is) in great form while some of the other riders are saving up for the Grand Tours and Olympics. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:41
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Also, Soler is a great climber, no matter what anybody says. He may be a little hyped, but I still think he is one of the top 15 in the world. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:45
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Deadpool wrote:
Gesink rode well in Cali, but that still wasn't enough, and I posted this thread before his ride today with Cadel.
Also, although he is a great rider, I would still put Dekker before him, as Gesink could just be (and in my view is) in great form while some of the other riders are saving up for the Grand Tours and Olympics.
Agreed 100%
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Also, Soler is a great climber, no matter what anybody says. He may be a little hyped, but I still think he is one of the top 15 in the world.
Again, fully agreed. But it's normal. Whenever someone comes along and has one great stage, usually people tend to hype them up a lot. Especially climbers. And the worst bit is they don't come down to earth soon. People are still overrating them years later when they still have shown nothing else.
Not saying it'll be the case with Soler, but I'm tired of this happening with 2/3 guys every year.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:54
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Yeah, i'm hoping that the three guys I consider to be the top 3 young climbers in the world right now - Andy Schleck, Gesink, and Soler all turn out to fulfill their promise. All three have had great performances - Gesink: Cali and Ventoux, Andy: White in the Tour, and Soler: Polka Dots in the Tour, and have the ability to become great. But all three are now being really hyped. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 21:55
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Note: Their are some other guys, like Juan Cobo and Riccio (Sanuier Duval fans rejoice) who also look like they could be great in the future. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:00
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The worst part is that none of those names inspire any confidence in me.
That makes me feel really bad 
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:00
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Why? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:08
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Cobo and Riccò....uhhh....Saunier....just look at that team. Riccò even tested positive IN JUNIORS. You have to be really pushing for that to happen.
Gesink...uhm...let's look at his team leaders to see who he has to look up to: Menchov rode for Banesto, Flecha as well plus Fassa Bortolo, Dekker worked with Cecchini, Freire with Ferrari and rode for Mapei. His team DS Breukink is a notorious former doper, he's surrounded of former riders of the extremely trust-able (*cough cough*) Quickstep, Unibet and Skil-Shimano teams. There's not much chance he's not doing the same they all are.
Schleck...It's Riis' team, they've had a bunch of riders caught in previous years, a lot of them are doubtful, and the guy (Damsgaard) who is supposed to be the saint who administers their anti-doping programme is a guy who's been to jail more than once. Yeah, real trustworthy Damsgaard. A guy who only got started in anti-doping work as a punishment, community service. Shocking.
Soler....he comes from a country where every rider dopes (Colombia), he rides for an italian team where a lot of suspicious riders are and he comes out of nowhere with awesome performances.
It's sad, but I really don't trust any of them and I don't feel I have even the slightest reason to trust them.
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| wanka84 |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:24
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I everyone is doped the stronger remain the stronger 
I vote other (thinking to Piepoli ) |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:29
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Barloworld is British/South African, and although their are a lot of question marks, I'm willing to go with the Innocent until proven guilty route. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:34
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Deadpool wrote:
Barloworld is British/South African, and although their are a lot of question marks, I'm willing to go with the Innocent until proven guilty route.
The licence is british. The same way that Ceramica Panaria has an irish license. see any irish people on the team? nope. The sponsor is south african along with 2/3 riders.
All the staff, mechanics, soigneurs, DSs, etc are italian along with more than half the riders.
As for being guilty, two words: Claudio Corti 
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I everyone is doped the stronger remain the stronger
very true. I couldn't give a rat's ass for the dopers' health, but I do feel sorry for those who are clean and would win if everyone was clean, but they don't. For those I feel sorry
Edited by issoisso on 13-03-2008 22:36
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| chuckie |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:41
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issoisso wrote:
The same way that Ceramica Panaria has an irish license. see any irish people on the team?
All the staff, mechanics, soigneurs, DSs, etc are italian along with more than half the riders.
really? I'm pretty sure An Post/sean kelly and pezula are the only two pro Irish teams,even licence wise.I saw Ceramic Panaria have an Irish mini-flag in pcm,but it does seem a little odd
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:45
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chuckie wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The same way that Ceramica Panaria has an irish license. see any irish people on the team?
All the staff, mechanics, soigneurs, DSs, etc are italian along with more than half the riders.
really? I'm pretty sure An Post/sean kelly and pezula are the only two pro Irish teams,even licence wise.I saw Ceramic Panaria have an Irish mini-flag in pcm,but it does seem a little odd
It's just a license, doesn't mean anything about the team 
Astana's license was Swiss last year.
Tenax is italian and also has an irish license
A lot of teams are in that situation. Saunier used to have a swiss license as well.
Edited by issoisso on 13-03-2008 22:45
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| chuckie |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:48
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issoisso wrote:
chuckie wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The same way that Ceramica Panaria has an irish license. see any irish people on the team?
All the staff, mechanics, soigneurs, DSs, etc are italian along with more than half the riders.
really? I'm pretty sure An Post/sean kelly and pezula are the only two pro Irish teams,even licence wise.I saw Ceramic Panaria have an Irish mini-flag in pcm,but it does seem a little odd
It's just a license, doesn't mean anything about the team
Astana's license was Swiss last year.
Tenax is italian and also has an irish license
Your right,my apoligees
Ceramic Panaria's headquartrs are in Dublin!!
Anyone know why??
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:50
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No idea. their website only mentions italian stuff plus the acquisition of several companies in the portuguese market "one of the world's largest" (news to me)
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:52
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Yeah, but they are more South African than italian, plus 2/3 + 1/2 is more that 1/1 |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2008 22:55
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Deadpool wrote:
Yeah, but they are more South African than italian, plus 2/3 + 1/2 is more that 1/1
2/3 -> two or three
In what are they south african? they're based in italy, most people are italian, most races they ride are in italy, the adopted language within the team is italian....so what's south african about them?
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