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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-06-2007 16:22
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pretty much every european country's constitution stands on the basis that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
this doesn't seem to be happening.
for this, and this alone, Valverde and others should be allowed to race.
when a decision is made on whether or not they're guilty, we can take conclusions.
that's my view, regardless of some blood bags being labelled "Valv" |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-06-2007 17:20
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theoreticly yes... But still we got lot of nuances on this case.
For example Basso case...I think he was able to stall all this court trial... If he wanted he was able to run this year Giro maybe eather TdF before any action is progressed on his court action. I think he acts smartly ...all this should be more dirty when he has to denied all this and after year and dna samples maches all knows he is big hypocrite and liar.
In cycling suspicious is already big warning word.
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| kong phierl |
Posted on 04-06-2007 20:00
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I'm sure that Valverde will be there... but he doesn't stand a chance against Vino, especially because of the two long tt's, and Vino don't have a bad last week like Valverde |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 04-06-2007 20:01
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and Valverde never finishes the TdF which doesn't exactly help |
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| kong phierl |
Posted on 04-06-2007 20:45
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Yeah you're right... but who do you think will beat Vino and Köden - Astana? |
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| sakai5 |
Posted on 04-06-2007 22:09
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Contador?, or maybe Cunego (because of his lack of form in Giro). Don't know the plans of Lampre Team.
Sastre? Hummm...Perhaps, this Tour will be for Vino. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-06-2007 22:12
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sakai5 wrote:Don't know the plans of Lampre Team.
Cunego says he'll skip the Tour this year, and that starting next year, he'll stop doing the giro, to focus on the Tour.
as for Contador, I doubt someone who's never done a three-week race can compete. besides, the way Disco works, it's all for Levi.
I really can't see anyone winning other than Vino or Sastre. although if Klöden keeps having the first injury-free season of his career....he'll be very much up there!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-06-2007 23:13
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Contador is definitely an outsider for the win. But Vinokourov, Kaschekhin and Valverde are the best climbers at the moment. And their chance of winning is even greater, now when all the dopeheads are gone (not that the three mentioned are any better, but officially, they are not and have never been involved in anything (though it might - and probably - will change eventually). |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-06-2007 23:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
Contador is definitely an outsider for the win. But Vinokourov, Kaschekhin and Valverde are the best climbers at the moment. And their chance of winning is even greater, now when all the dopeheads are gone (not that the three mentioned are any better, but officially, they are not and have never been involved in anything (though it might - and probably - will change eventually).
I doubt Contador will be in for it this year, but it's cycling...there are no givens...well...except Mayo flopping, but that's a special case 
As for best climbers, I wouldn't necessarily consider them as the best.
Sastre impressed me immensely last year. he did an unbelievable number of races and despite being tired, still was that good. this year with the whole team behind him will be the real test of his mettle.
Evans is another question mark. Every season he does so many races. this year he said this was what caused him to miss the results he could achieve. (took him quite a few years to finally figure it out), and this year he says he's not going to make the same mistake.
Can't see him as a candidate, but I'll watch him with interest.
What I find the most exciting is how everyone will be much closer (theoretically) not just in the mountains, but also in the time trials.
just last year, by this stage Valverde was already so much better than before.
Who knows if he's improved since then. (and no, I don't consider his TTs this year so far proof of any improvement compared to last year)
As for doping, well...there are just a few teams that I trust. and since you mention Contador, discovery is most definitely not one of them (nor has it ever been).
in the words of Jon Vaughters: "I like George(Hincapie), but classics to climber? explain that one"
EDIT: how could I forget Menchov.....that guy is going nowhere until he stops climbing on gigantic gears.
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 05-06-2007 00:15
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 NOBODY CAN BEAT KHAZAKHS PRINCE ALEXANDRE VINOKUROV !!! especially if his right hand will be his apprentice is young megastar Kasheshkin B)
dont you saw lastyears Vuelta ??? i never saw somthing like that !!! it was best race so far in that year |
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| Frink_RSA |
Posted on 05-06-2007 00:56
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brilliant that Barloworld is inB)B)
will be great to see more south african riders, hopfully Hunter and Cox
AS for GC dont think anyone can match Vino but he will have to be clever about it.
he has a good cycling mind and look forward to a new tactical battle.
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| Boasson Hagen Jr |
Posted on 05-06-2007 01:17
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I think were in for a tour with many suprises, with Vino for the first time at the top with valverde and evans at his side...But I also think we can expect a top 5 by Disco`s Levi and the first timer Tom Danielson. T-mobile have ace up their sleeve with Rogers. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-06-2007 01:28
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I dont like to declare that Vinokurov wins... Like issoisso says lots of GC contenders had played hide and seek so far in the season Vinokurov, Evans, Sastre, Klöden,why not even Rogers. Damn that Klöden dont want ride has captain he will be great this year...
About Menchov again issoisso is correct..only one man was capable ride in mountains with big gear (you know about who I am talking about). I think Discovery will be present us another big dissapointment. I would like to see decent ride for Gerolsteiner and Saunier.
Sry. to admit I forgot Danielson..but hey still Discovery they just doesnt seems to be get riddle Arstrong shadow (seven years ,this is a long time). Buying dirty Basso made it even worst.I think T-Mobile gets more faster over about loosing Klöden, and Ullrich
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 08:14
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actually, I think he has the same problem as Ullrich. just a bit more. He uses an enormous gear, so he's perfectly fine when climbing with the other favorites.
But when someone else attacks...there's an acceleration you must do, which is very hard to do in a high gear. Ullrich didn't have as much of a problem with this, but Menchov does - a lot.
In my opinion, he's a lot better than most people think, but after a few accelerations, he's spent.
There's also (as I see it), another problem with his gears. if you make a mistake on the gear you think will be needed for a certain climb you can (obviously) make the mistake of using too high a gear, or too low a gear.
If you already use a high gear and make a mistake in the selection, you either use a lower gear that you might not be used to....or use an enormous gear that you can't handle.
If he used a lower one and he made a mistake, there wouldn't be that much potential for disaster.
Hope that was clearly put.
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 05-06-2007 09:47
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Menchov, Kloden, Sastre, Evans ??? You must be joking here |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 09:49
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0buKKaKe wrote:
Menchov, Kloden, Sastre, Evans ??? You must be joking here
So you think it's just Vino and Valverde? I respect that opinion. but I think you are WAY off my friend. above all, Sastre and Klöden are in my view two of the most underestimated cyclists.
The way Klöden gets TDF podiums despite so many injuries is nothing short of staggering...and this year he is yet to have one.
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Posted on 05-06-2007 11:39
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issoisso wrote:
0buKKaKe wrote:
Menchov, Kloden, Sastre, Evans ??? You must be joking here
So you think it's just Vino and Valverde? I respect that opinion. but I think you are WAY off my friend. above all, Sastre and Klöden are in my view two of the most underestimated cyclists.
The way Klöden gets TDF podiums despite so many injuries is nothing short of staggering...and this year he is yet to have one.
no, im just joking mate , but its true, that for me favourits are Valverde and Vino, but in this sport you never know who is in the best shape (and thats why i like this sport sooo fkin much ). i think that Douphinee Liberee will add more pieces to the puzzle of who is next TdF winner  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 11:49
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0buKKaKe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
[quote] 0buKKaKe wrote:
Menchov, Kloden, Sastre, Evans ??? You must be joking here
i think that Douphinee Liberee will add more pieces to the puzzle of who is next TdF winner
I agree. but not in the usual way.
I think whoever is in best form for the Dauphine,and especially whoever digs deep there, will be burned out at the Tour. happens pretty much every year.
whoever wins the Dauphine, you can discount them at the Tour. unless of course they win on their TT skills. that's a different matter.
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 05-06-2007 11:59
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i wouldnt say "discount", but i mean it same way ... its not about being in best shape for douphinee, but about how are you looking, progressing, thinking in there and how your team is treating ... what do you say? because in my opinion who is doing well at dauphinee or suisse tour will be well prepared for TdF B) |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 12:18
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About the best climbers, it's based on a "logical" point. They are the ones who have produced the highest amount of wattages, only beaten by people who have later been accused of doping.
About Astana, I've zero confidence (in the matter of doping) in them. For the saem reason, I'm sure they will win this TdF unless they are caught. |
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