admirschleck wrote:
Talking about Time Trial abilities, i think everyone can choose what they're going to train. If he doesn't like time-trial, he won't train it. Of course, he will say he is bad in time trial, when someone asks him (journalists, newspapers...) but i can't see point where he blamed his trainer.
Btw, i was always wondering why don't you hate Van den Broeck , or Contador, when they're even worser in terms of tactics, un-fair , not racing anything except TdF bla,bla...
Alsoooo, how can you even say that Andy can't race without Frank? I mean, that's most stupid thing i've ever heard. Sorry, but it really is. Of course , Frank always supported him, as probably every brother on this earth will do , but Andy have shown that he is able to race alone, without team (Contador's Astana vs alone Andy) , but of course , not that much as Cadel can (like he doesn't even have team).
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Contador as race picker and bad tacic rider?
About most stupid thing..believe or not is is happening. Watch tours again when they riding together.
admirschleck wrote:
2010 TdF and "chain" case - Of course that's not fairplay by Contador. It was clear that Contador could not follow that attack and i think everyone saw that. That situation simply destroyed Andy, firstly his energy (again, since you lose much power by accelerating and stopping after few meters), time that he lost to make chain working again, so...
It's perfectly fair play by Contador. Any professional cyclist can choose when to ride, regardless of whether any other rider has any problem or not. Even if you, for some reason, think it's morally wrong (I disagree), then you should think the same of Andy winning time on Contador thanks to Fränk's crash splitting up the peloton in the stage to Arenberg.
admirschleck wrote:
Talking about Time Trial abilities, i think everyone can choose what they're going to train. If he doesn't like time-trial, he won't train it. Of course, he will say he is bad in time trial, when someone asks him (journalists, newspapers...) but i can't see point where he blamed his trainer.
Say what? He is a professional fucking cyclist, he doesn't choose what to train ffs. If he's supposed to be a GC rider, he should work his ass off to improve his TTing, it's his fragging duty. Of course you can't ask him to beat Tony Martin, but he shouldn't be losing truckloads of time because of his laziness to work on a TT bike.
admirschleck wrote:
Also, i can find only 2 situation , from about 10 of these where's Andy really wrong. So it's maybe you hating him because of his style of riding , more than these imaginary reasons.
Btw, i was always wondering why don't you hate Van den Broeck , or Contador, when they're even worser in terms of tactics, un-fair , not racing anything except TdF bla,bla...
Most people dislike him (rather than hate, although most fans just can't understand the difference) because every time he talks he shows what a moron he is, not because the tactics, which admittedly don't help.
And btw, Contador does much more racing than TdF, and even VDB is better than Andy at that. I can't think on any current rider so much focused in one single event as he is. Well maybe Horner, but the comparison to a 42 years old joke is not good for Andrew me thinks.
Andy baby talk and mean comments against rivals..race and teammates was top of it.
Spezialy when he was absolute top rider..he just needed to offend someone.
I think Andy Schleck is a great rider, who hasn't won a grand tour yet. He isn't really the smartest person in the peleton by definately a strong one. I hope to see him return with Fränk next year, but I do believe they should focus on another grand tour instead of the Tour de France since I don't see Andy beating Froome, or Quintana. In 2011 I was in Grenoble when Andy lost his Tour by a TT, and I think personally that he had a off-day since normally not even he rides that bad in a TT.
admirschleck wrote:
Also, i can find only 2 situation , from about 10 of these where's Andy really wrong. So it's maybe you hating him because of his style of riding , more than these imaginary reasons.
Since we "hate" him because of those imaginary reasons, I have to ask, why do you like him so much?
From my point, there are 2 main reason to like a rider: his riding style or his personality. And Schleck doesn't excel in either
alexkr00 wrote:
Since we "hate" him because of those imaginary reasons, I have to ask, why do you like him so much?
From my point, there are 2 main reason to like a rider: his riding style or his personality. And Schleck doesn't excel in either
He's pretty
Pretty?! He is not pretty! He looks like a girl yes but he is not pretty.
His riding style is good, he just always waits for Frank, so it rarely shows. He has a good acceleration and a good grind when going up hill. It's not stacato like Contador, but neither is it diesel like Evans. It's a nice balance he can adapt to any situation.
Inability to descend or tt is not "bad style", just bad ability/technique in specific areas. Froome has a bad style. Voeckler has a bad style. (Froome, because he doesn't know how to sit on a bike, and Voeckler who puts more effort into going sideways than forwards).
Personality. It sucks yes, but it could be worse. He just moans a lot. As for the lying, that could just be down to plain ignorance, which knowing how Andy is an idiot, is a real possibility.
alexkr - Most probably because of his style, as i said i can't see anything bad in defending your position , that's all tactic.
Guido Mukk - I made mistake when i said he is bad tactic rider, just that he is race picker , comparing to Schleck. Andy is really focusing on TdF, but before he injured, he was riding many races. (from 2007-2012) This year, as everyone could see, Andy was just in bad shape, but even with that (not 100% recovered from injury) he raced 5-6 races.
kumazan - Difference between Andy continuing to ride with group and Contador attacking when Andy got mechanic is HUGE. Contador was sitting, waiting for Vinokourov to catch Andy , and when Andy's chain got off , he made an attack. Of course that's legal, but it's just unfair.
And wait, does that mean Cancellara has to ride Mont Ventoux multiple times because he is "fucking professional cyclist". Andy just don't feel good on TT bike , and that's it. Of course, he is aware of damage he can make (time loosing) , so i can't see anything bad in not wanting to train that.
And yes, i am biased in some of my comments related to Schlecks , but not that much this time.
admirschleck wrote:
kumazan - Difference between Andy continuing to ride with group and Contador attacking when Andy got mechanic is HUGE. Contador was sitting, waiting for Vinokourov to catch Andy , and when Andy's chain got off , he made an attack.
I fail to see the difference between that and Andy telling Cancellara to push the pace after Frank crashed
admirschleck wrote:
Difference between Andy continuing to ride with group and Contador attacking when Andy got mechanic is HUGE. Contador was sitting, waiting for Vinokourov to catch Andy , and when Andy's chain got off , he made an attack. Of course that's legal, but it's just unfair.
No, there's no difference at all. In the Arenberg stage, it was Schleck's team mate (Cancellara) who was pulling the group after the split caused by Fränk's fall. If Schleck was oh so concerned about "fairness" he would have told him to stop and wait for the GC contenders affected.
And Contador did not attack after the chain drop, he was already going on the attack before.
admirschleck wrote:
And wait, does that mean Cancellara has to ride Mont Ventoux multiple times because he is "fucking professional cyclist". Andy just don't feel good on TT bike , and that's it. Of course, he is aware of damage he can make (time loosing) , so i can't see anything bad in not wanting to train that.
Since when Cancellara is a climber or a GC rider? If you want to ride for GCs, specially in a race which usually features quite some TT mileage like the Tour, you must work in your TTing. It's simply the duty of a professional rider who's getting paid very well by his team.
Contador had no reason to wait for Schleck. They already waited for his sorry ass once in the Spa stage. Schleck didn't return the favor in the Arenberg stage. So why would Contador wait for him for the second time, while Andy didn't when he had the chance?
As far as i know, it was not Andy's decision to keep going, since Cancellara was in front of that group , chasing and "yelling" at Andy not to wait.
Aaand, Vinokourov was the guy that followed Schleck on that "chain stage" in 2010 , Contador attacked few seconds after it was visible that Andy has problems.
There is a difference between not waiting on cobbles after a crash, and attacking after a mechanical on a mountain.
We can argue all day about whether it was Fabian or Andys call to push on to Arenberg. But it is clear that C*ntadope attacks hard when Andy stops.
Not saying that you should wait when the GC Leader has a problem like that, but not attacking i feel is a given. Continuing on is fine, launching an attack i don't like. That said Andy is such a bad descender he probably lost some time there any way. And of course there was the prologue time loss.. etc etc
I like Andy Schleck in general and hope he comes back to his bet. I don't like the way he moans about descents, but I'm not narrow-minded enough to judge only on that so I'd rather him be back to his best than not, especially since I can't stand Chris Froome!
admirschleck wrote:
As far as i know, it was not Andy's decision to keep going, since Cancellara was in front of that group , chasing and "yelling" at Andy not to wait.
Did Cancellara put a gun on Andy's head to keep going?
admirschleck wrote:
Aaand, Vinokourov was the guy that followed Schleck on that "chain stage" in 2010 , Contador attacked few seconds after it was visible that Andy has problems.
Contador was reacting to Schleck's previous attack. If Schleck can't change gear well it isn't Contador's problem at all.
Okay, it's pretty clear that i am Schlecks fan , and you're Spanish and SaxoBanks (that probably means Contadors) fan (as i can see from avatar), so this discussion won't ever finish if we continue.
Edit: And no, neither a Saxo fan. In fact I believe Riis a cockroach who should meet the same end of all his kind, smashed under a massive shoe.
Edited by kumazan on 06-10-2013 16:40
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