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| SotD |
Posted on 04-09-2013 08:58
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Not bad Ulissi, not bad. Trying is better than nothing. I can't understand why his finish on a stage like today is so poor though. He has goot a shitloads of endurance compared to the rest, and with the stage moving to 200+km he should be slightly better than normal.
He consistently loses the sprint to weaker riders aswell.
Ulissi - 73/75 SPR/ACC
Gilbert - 68/75 SPR/ACC
Claeys - 66/73 SPR/ACC
Schumacher - 69/75 ACC
I can accept that he loses out to Bakelants and EBH whom are both clearly better. Van Garderen also have a huge acceleration which can probably help on this hard sprints... But I can't quite figure out why he is constantly beaten by Claeys, Gilbert and riders on such level when he should indeed be better than those when the finish is a "mass sprint".
Oh well. 6th on the stage, 7th on the GC and Pichon trying his best is pretty nice. I didn't expect much coming into the race, so I can still dream of things being decent in the end. Guerao for the next 3 stages could be interesting, if the train works out.
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| ember |
Posted on 04-09-2013 09:04
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Great to see Boasson Hagen win a stage! That should mean he's secured a good overall placing as well, which is somewhat important considering our win goal for the race. Though, I still fancy a breakaway for at least one stage win.
Thanks for the report, Smowz. And indeed Rabon looks good for the overall win. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-09-2013 10:35
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Gastauer making the selection is as much as I could hope for GC wise. 10th for now, hopefully he can keep a good stage finish position aggregate to stay in there.
@SotD You are not factoring in the most important stat on a stage such as this - Hill.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-09-2013 13:01
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Gastauer making the selection is as much as I could hope for GC wise. 10th for now, hopefully he can keep a good stage finish position aggregate to stay in there.
@SotD You are not factoring in the most important stat on a stage such as this - Hill.
Is it that important when the group comes together in the end? I know it is important of course, but a rider like Gilbert seems to edge out Ulissi in most sprints, and those are very similar riders, I reckon.
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| p3druh |
Posted on 04-09-2013 14:51
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No way Bakelants gets one minute back on the last stage. If he fails to get any bonus seconds, even the top-10 is at risk. This guy just keeps disappointing me race after race this season.
After two stages hilly stages in a row, I'm wondering how much the fatigue will hurt the sprinters. Could be crucial as, with three flat stages, I can see Hagen getting the 41 seconds back with the bonuses at the finish and getting the leader's jersey before the last stage. No stopping him then if that happens.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-09-2013 14:54
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SotD wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Gastauer making the selection is as much as I could hope for GC wise. 10th for now, hopefully he can keep a good stage finish position aggregate to stay in there.
@SotD You are not factoring in the most important stat on a stage such as this - Hill.
Is it that important when the group comes together in the end? I know it is important of course, but a rider like Gilbert seems to edge out Ulissi in most sprints, and those are very similar riders, I reckon.
It was an uphill finish, so yes.
Plus on a stage with plenty of hills, the better the hill stat, the more energy a rider is going to have left for the sprint.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-09-2013 15:30
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Wynants is not designed to go for a KoM, so I can live with that provisional third place very well.
Puzzling is Kelderman's and Vogt's performance though. Not that they would get many ranking points with stat-correlating riding, but sitting up together with the sprinters is ridiculous.
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| ember |
Posted on 04-09-2013 15:37
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p3druh wrote:
After two stages hilly stages in a row, I'm wondering how much the fatigue will hurt the sprinters. Could be crucial as, with three flat stages, I can see Hagen getting the 41 seconds back with the bonuses at the finish and getting the leader's jersey before the last stage. No stopping him then if that happens.
I can't see that happening considering I've Impey in the race. I couldn't see it happening without him as well.
In Tour de Suisse, where he did very well in the sprints, there was no sprinter in the team, and the flat stages was quite tough. Here in Norway though, the stage profiles couldn't be much easier for the riders.
Though, I certainly won't complain if Boasson Hagen proves me wrong  |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 04-09-2013 21:07
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Back to the great hilly AI. It's times like these it's gold to have Trofimov, who usually wins the sprint. Oh wait, he's not here, bugger!
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-09-2013 03:05
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Another really good stage from TVG, he should be in line for a quality finish and point haul as long as he can finish on the same time as the lead group in the final stage and steer clear of danger.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 07-09-2013 09:23
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Well, Guerao is saving alone Festina. |
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| ember |
Posted on 07-09-2013 11:06
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Decent by Impey, and very well done by Guerao, congrats SotD.
Quite as expected to see Boasson Hagen not participate in the sprint.
Thanks for the report, Smowz  |
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-09-2013 11:21
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Yes! Fucking briliant!
Guerao will DEFINATELY be trained even more next season
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| Kami |
Posted on 07-09-2013 13:38
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Not going to lie. I'm pretty happy with that as i didn't want to go back to PCT without a win this season. Still isn't going to save me from degradation though.
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| ember |
Posted on 07-09-2013 14:20
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And they're coming fast, well done, Smowz!
And big congratulations to Kami. Bacardi has struggled all season, it's nice to see them at least get a stage win. Though, as Kami says himself, they'll need more than that.
I must admit it's a delight to see Impey being consistent. That should mean he will be consistent on a higher level next season, as he'll be finished developing. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-09-2013 14:48
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Guerao still have some things to correct but a win and a 2nd place is still nice - And better than anticipated.
Stage 7 seems to be finishing slightly uphill, not much, but probably enough to cause Guerao to lose tempo.
I'm looking forward to next season where he can hopefully perform even better. Also now I seem to know what it takes to make a succesful train. Looking at Vesuvio they seem to have broken the code, and with some riders with a high flat rating it could be a good start to the train.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 07-09-2013 18:40
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Haedo won something? Okay, it's a miracle. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-09-2013 19:03
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Another great result. Swift can't be entirely happy with the outcome of this races. Different winners each day is nice though, and it looks like Guerao will get 2nd in the sprinters competition, which is a nice little added bonus to his fairly nice race.
Now to hope for Ulissi to do something remarkable, but I'm always scared when the finish is uphill like that. Ulissi is far better when the finish line isn't on the actual hill.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 07-09-2013 19:24
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For fuck's sake Haedo is so overperforming here...
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 07-09-2013 19:26
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levi should come in here and tell us all about his marginal gains system
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