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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-01-2008 11:43
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-01-2008 11:57
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at that age Cipollini could hardly win anything anymore. McEwen won't last much longer
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:09
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issoisso wrote:
at that age Cipollini could hardly win anything anymore. McEwen won't last much longer
You're right but McEwen will still win this year and next year too. I truly believe that this year will be Bennati/Cavendish year. I'm not saying they will be the biggest sprinters, but they will be the best young sprinters and do many top 5 and achieve many wins too. Of course they aren't like Bonnen or Freire, but be carefull with them.
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| robert_psv |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:10
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jolly_antunes wrote:
issoisso wrote:
at that age Cipollini could hardly win anything anymore. McEwen won't last much longer
You're right but McEwen will still win this year and next year too. I truly believe that this year will be Bennati/Cavendish year. I'm not saying they will be the biggest sprinters, but they will be the best young sprinters and do many top 5 and achieve many wins too. Of course they aren't like Bonnen or Freire, but be carefull with them.
Don't forget Ciolek..
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:13
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robert_psv wrote:
Don't forget Ciolek..
I don't think Ciolek will make any impact this year. Next year yes, but this year no. He's shadowed by Cavendish. Only when Cavendish reaches the top, Ciolek will definitely raise up his sit
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:19
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jolly_antunes wrote:
You're right but McEwen will still win this year and next year too.
I'm not arguing that. I just think he's begun to fade ever since 2006 and that his results will worsen every year from now.
jolly_antunes wrote:
I truly believe that this year will be Bennati/Cavendish year. I'm not saying they will be the biggest sprinters, but they will be the best young sprinters
Bennati is older than Boonen.
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robert_psv wrote:
Don't forget Ciolek..
I don't think Ciolek will make any impact this year. Next year yes, but this year no. He's shadowed by Cavendish. Only when Cavendish reaches the top, Ciolek will definitely raise up his sit
Ciolek is a year younger than Cavendish and an immensely better all-round rider. what had Cavendish won at the age that Ciolek is now? nothing. Ciolek has won several races including repeated ProTour stages against top sprinters. not to take away from Cavendish, but Ciolek is a better rider. is he a better sprinter? who knows, but he's definitely a better rider and younger.
Edited by issoisso on 05-01-2008 13:20
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:26
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issoisso wrote:
Bennati is older than Boonen.
Ciolek is a year younger than Cavendish and an immensely better all-round rider. what had Cavendish won at the age that Ciolek is now? nothing. Ciolek has won several races including repeated ProTour stages against top sprinters. not to take away from Cavendish, but Ciolek is a better rider. is he a better sprinter? who knows, but he's definitely a better rider and younger.
I probably wanted to mention other sprinter and wrote Bennati
About Ciolek, the question isn't really who is the best all-rounder but who is the best sprinter. And i think Cavendish is better.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:33
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Cavendish won mostly smaller races last year, whilst Ciolek kicked butt at the Deutschland Tour. Nothing more to say to that( except for that he's german and Cav is British )
imo Ciolek is better as a sprinter and definitley as an allrounderB)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-01-2008 13:41
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in time we'll know the difference. Ciolek is supposed to do the Tour this year. let's see if Cavendish can win a stage at the Giro.
more importantly, let's see if Petacchi can ride the tour. every year something happens and he isn't able to ride...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-01-2008 14:36
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Isso, its all very well saying that Ciolek at his age won more than Cavendish did at that age, since Cavendish didnt ride for a ProTour team at Ciolek's age.
Samtheman, Cavendish won stages at ProTour races Catalunya and Benelux, which are the same status stage race as Deutschland Tour. Ciolek needs to start winning in places that dont speak German imo. In 2007, he won in Germany and Austria only.
Theres no doubt that Ciolek is a better all rounder, but I reckon that Cavendish currently has a better sprint and will hopefully get better on those dreaded speed bumps.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-01-2008 14:44
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Isso, its all very well saying that Ciolek at his age won more than Cavendish did at that age, since Cavendish didnt ride for a ProTour team at Ciolek's age.
of course. my point being that you can't compare through wins. but if you really want to compare wins (which it seems from the rest of your post), Ciolek had a few more, including the german national road race as an 18 year old
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Samtheman, Cavendish won stages at ProTour races Catalunya and Benelux, which are the same status stage race as Deutschland Tour. Ciolek needs to start winning in places that dont speak German imo. In 2007, he won in Germany and Austria only.
the Eneco tour can be discarded, I feel because of the competition. as for Catalunya and Germany, the competition wasn't "equal level". it was the same. the same riders, so I'd say it's pretty even between them.
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Theres no doubt that Ciolek is a better all rounder, but I reckon that Cavendish currently has a better sprint and will hopefully get better on those dreaded speed bumps.
I don't mean "all-rounder" as in getting over the hilly stuff for a sprint. Ciolek can win classics other than in sprint stages. that's what I mean. as for who's got the better sprint, only time will tell.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 06-01-2008 20:01
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We can discuss endlessley about this as I'm sure none of you brits will back down from your opinion just as I won't from mine
they're both damn good riders and I hope both will do well this season
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-01-2008 14:41
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Ok Sastre is thinking to take a Giro this year and TdF for shure..
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-01-2008 14:43
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Uhm, I'm 100 % sure he's going to ride the Vuelta again this year. And I'm about just as sure that Chris Anker Sørensen is going to be the leader of the CSC-team during the Giro. Sastre might participate, but then it's solely to get in form. |
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| robert_psv |
Posted on 07-01-2008 15:09
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Menchov is riding the GiroB), all the TT's will give him a great chance of winning it
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-01-2008 15:15
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CrueTrue wrote:
Uhm, I'm 100 % sure he's going to ride the Vuelta again this year. And I'm about just as sure that Chris Anker Sørensen is going to be the leader of the CSC-team during the Giro. Sastre might participate, but then it's solely to get in form.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 07-01-2008 17:32
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Hope Chris Sörensen can continue with his good results from last year
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| mrlol |
Posted on 07-01-2008 17:36
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robert_psv wrote:
Menchov is riding the GiroB), all the TT's will give him a great chance of winning it
well.... I dont think so... he's riding it as a preparation for the tour... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-01-2008 18:12
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Guido Mukk wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Uhm, I'm 100 % sure he's going to ride the Vuelta again this year. And I'm about just as sure that Chris Anker Sørensen is going to be the leader of the CSC-team during the Giro. Sastre might participate, but then it's solely to get in form.
You probably right ...Intresting to see what Riis is planning for Andy this year.
yes, that's right. that's the one thing I love about CSC: that Kim Andersen tells the press everything about the season's plans
Andy will support Sastre at the Tour.
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Menchov is riding the GiroB), all the TT's will give him a great chance of winning it
1. he won't ride it to win. it's as preparation, as clearly his preparation hasn't been good these past years. he's much better than what he's shown.
2. the time trials aren't that long and he's not that good at them. he's just better than all the italian climbers 
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| robert_psv |
Posted on 07-01-2008 18:19
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He finished very high in the Vuelta TT's, he finished 2nd and 4th
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