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No prizemoney?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 06-07-2013 02:13
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Don't buy equipment, it does not give you any benefits.
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| mpritch |
Posted on 06-07-2013 02:59
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Thanks for the info Lachi.
Skipping equipemnt, just one more little trick to making the most out of every penny given. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-07-2013 07:57
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If you want to save on pennies, you can also sack all your scouts. It's cheaper and sometimes even better to draw youth to the team by looking at the U23 races instead of scouting. |
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| mpritch |
Posted on 06-07-2013 11:13
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Ian Butler wrote:
If you want to save on pennies, you can also sack all your scouts. It's cheaper and sometimes even better to draw youth to the team by looking at the U23 races instead of scouting.
Thanks Ian!! I am all about the budget with this game... |
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| swsquires |
Posted on 06-07-2013 13:14
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The whole monetary system is a mess. In my game going into season 5 I have something like 10m in the bank. It would be nice if my maximum wage bill was at the 600k per month, but despite being told it would last year, it is still at around 150k. As a result I'm accumulating money but can't do anything with it. If I was getting prize money it would also be useless.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-07-2013 13:16
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swsquires wrote:
The whole monetary system is a mess. In my game going into season 5 I have something like 10m in the bank. It would be nice if my maximum wage bill was at the 600k per month, but despite being told it would last year, it is still at around 150k. As a result I'm accumulating money but can't do anything with it. If I was getting prize money it would also be useless.
Well, I think you need a new sponsor, maybe 150k is just the maximum that the current sponsor goes? I don't know if a maximum for that exists in PCM 2013 
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| Lachi |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:04
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@swsquires: How did you accumulate such amounts? |
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| mpritch |
Posted on 07-07-2013 01:43
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Yeah, 10mil in 5 years doesn't seem to fit even the highest sponsor I've seen. 600k - not paying a rider a dime would only amount to 3mil... |
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| tellico |
Posted on 07-07-2013 08:04
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mpritch wrote:
Yeah, 10mil in 5 years doesn't seem to fit even the highest sponsor I've seen. 600k - not paying a rider a dime would only amount to 3mil...
You probably mistaken a monthly budget with an annual budget. 600k per year is a continental team budget. World Tour teams have ca 6M/year
Edited by tellico on 07-07-2013 08:05
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| mpritch |
Posted on 07-07-2013 10:56
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tellico wrote:
mpritch wrote:
Yeah, 10mil in 5 years doesn't seem to fit even the highest sponsor I've seen. 600k - not paying a rider a dime would only amount to 3mil...
You probably mistaken a monthly budget with an annual budget. 600k per year is a continental team budget. World Tour teams have ca 6M/year
You are right!! I could see saving $2mil a year for 5 years, that's a lot more possible. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 07-07-2013 11:59
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Still I would like to know how and why it happened.
Edited by Lachi on 07-07-2013 12:00
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| postm00v |
Posted on 07-07-2013 18:21
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mpritch wrote:
Step 1: Sign a 1 year contract with your sponsor
Step 2: Raise the goals to bring in more money (despite them probably already being very difficult to achieve)
Step 3: Do the best you can
Step 4: Fail to meet the goals
Step 5: Sign a new sponsor contract
Step 6: Since you have paid your equipment and staff signing bonus' in year one, you should be set to have a long prosperous career
Right?
Won't you get sacked if you fail the sponsor objectives? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 07-07-2013 21:16
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He was just assuming, so until anybody tried it, nothing is for certain.
But since the contract only runs one year, they cannot sack you at the end of the season, right? |
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| Matrix |
Posted on 10-09-2013 23:27
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This feature works in 2 different ways. 1- makes you have to be smarter with the money you have. 2- makes it harder to sign top riders at transfer.
In reality, riders keep the winnings. That part is correct and isnt an issue. However, more co-sponsors or your main sponsor gets a kick back when a team or rider win. By that, I mean the sponsor makes money off your riders/team advertising for them. If you do well, the budget will go up along with bonus money to riders. Seeing we dont have advertising like real life. We only have "X" to spend.
Example real vs. game: You win 4 stages in the TDF and the rider collects the 25k for the wins. So in the game that part works.
HOWEVER
In real life the rider gets his winnings and the sponsor makes 20k in advertising a product due to the high placings. For instance if your sponsor is related to comer ial flights, Delta as an exame. Delta makes money because many saw your riders wearing a Delta jersey in the wins...when they make travel arrangements, Delta comes to mind because the saw it recently (sponsor on jersey). Delta the pays your team a bonus for helping increase sales from your wins in clothing advertising their company.
In PCM, it dosent happen that way. If your rider wins 20k, he keeps it and your team budget stays at the 100k it was to start the season.
So while riders keeping winnings is good. They need it to allow you to pick up 5k for winning from the sponsor...to be used how you like for your team.
Yes...it needs tweaked a bit. But if that was done it would be a perfect system. Nobody should have to fire the staff just to not go bankrupt...if the team is producing and matching or bettering sponsor goals.
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| itisix |
Posted on 11-09-2013 09:48
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Jeremy wrote:
I don't think it's cheap, because it's the only feasable way to get a Continental team to WT. I don't think it's fun to play with mega teams. I'll have to do some math to see if I can hire one or two free agents at the beginning of the season and negotiate higher objects.
I started with Efapel - Glassdrive and at the end of my second season, I'm first the the conti ranks and about to be promoted. So, 2 seasons.
On the general idea, I started a career and went bust very fast because I hadn't noticed there was no race prize money any more. That is one way to learn
I find this system more realistic that the old one because in a team, the sponsor (or sponsors) will set a budget for the entire season depending on the goals. Goals need a bit more work in the game. Also, some bonuses would be nice. Let's say that a conti team has some goals, but by some weird luck ends up with an unexpected TDF spot and wins it!!! I think a bonus with be in order. Maybe some bonuses could be set at the start of the season also. You won't get the sponsor unhappy if you didn't perform, but get him very happy if you did.
Still, makes managing the team a bit harder and makes you do a bit more maths the way it is. For my it's better because for the first time since I've played PCM, I have to actually give the budget some thought.
And, I wouldn't knowing how much a sponsor offers to renew. That an a bit more negotiation options.
Edited by itisix on 11-09-2013 10:04
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 11-09-2013 12:24
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I've got a question for all of you:
How do YOU spend your budget in PCM13?
I haven't actually started a carreer yet but reading about the changes makes me wonder how to spend the money most effectively. I'm curious to your approaches to this.
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| itisix |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:27
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ShortsNL:
#1 - Riders' wages
#2 - Riders' wages
Well, it really depends on how you'd like to play it, but you can actually get away without any staff. If you want to go for a mature team that won't need much training, then there is no point in trainers. Also, for the same reason, no point for scouts. Doctor, I don't really think it has much effect.
Apart from that, you need money to pay for training camps (not that much) and that is about it.
I personally like to have a young team, so I spend money on trainers (as much as I can). I spend about 20k (my budget is 51k and my riders' wages are 41k) on trainers but will be spending more and more as money allows it.
Knowing that they are useless, I have 2 of the cheapest scouts I could find. I use them to monitor riders from 2 areas in portugal just because I want portuguese riders. I know scouting is pretty much random, but the skills aren't. I try to find some riders in the high 60's. At least I can use them as mules.
I keep riders' wages within the budget (obvious) and also part of the budget goes to staff. Then there is the money in the bank that I divide by the year to last me for the season.
WARNINGS:
- Signing staff costs some money upfront as well as wages.
- Signing young riders as trainees in August, will come from you budget from that year, don't forget it. If you sign 5, it's 10k a month.
- Just in case, don't shave yourself too close or you may miscalculate something and game over.
Good luck
Edited by itisix on 11-09-2013 16:30
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| Matrix |
Posted on 12-09-2013 02:46
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itisix wrote:
ShortsNL:
#1 - Riders' wages
#2 - Riders' wages
Well, it really depends on how you'd like to play it, but you can actually get away without any staff. If you want to go for a mature team that won't need much training, then there is no point in trainers. Also, for the same reason, no point for scouts. Doctor, I don't really think it has much effect.
Apart from that, you need money to pay for training camps (not that much) and that is about it.
I personally like to have a young team, so I spend money on trainers (as much as I can). I spend about 20k (my budget is 51k and my riders' wages are 41k) on trainers but will be spending more and more as money allows it.
Knowing that they are useless, I have 2 of the cheapest scouts I could find. I use them to monitor riders from 2 areas in portugal just because I want portuguese riders. I know scouting is pretty much random, but the skills aren't. I try to find some riders in the high 60's. At least I can use them as mules.
I keep riders' wages within the budget (obvious) and also part of the budget goes to staff. Then there is the money in the bank that I divide by the year to last me for the season.
WARNINGS:
- Signing staff costs some money upfront as well as wages.
- Signing young riders as trainees in August, will come from you budget from that year, don't forget it. If you sign 5, it's 10k a month.
- Just in case, don't shave yourself too close or you may miscalculate something and game over.
Good luck
Add to warnings:
Cutting a rider means you must pay his contract in full or he can not be cut.
So if 1 rider has is paid high, but is not doing anything a d you you want to cut him to save money and perhaps have more to spend on a rider when its transfer time. It isnt too helpful. If the rider you want to cut makes 2000 a month, but 24,000 a gear. To cut them, you pay 24,000...not the 2000. Meaning you still lose money. But by cutting them you lose a big chunk at 1 time.
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| Conardo |
Posted on 12-09-2013 08:02
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So the Budget-Formula is in January:
(The money ont he bank + 12 x Sponsor (January was already paid, i think)) / 12 = Calculated Amount of Money
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| Lachi |
Posted on 12-09-2013 09:02
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You are right. |
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