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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 19:58
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It's very simple, Stybar has the technique and can climb very well (Koppenberg) so he'll win technical crosses and climb crosses. Albert is an allrounder and will win many crosses if he progresses (he hasn't done so well this year so far). Boom is a man for the really muddy crosses and climbing crosses, he won't do well in fast/technical ones. It's a perfect mix, I hope all three reach the same level.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 12-11-2007 20:00
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Levi4life wrote:
Tim Johnson will own all of Cyclo Cross. 
*cough*american bias*cough*
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-11-2007 20:02
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Ruben wrote:
Boom (...) he won't do well in fast/technical ones
is it just me or does that seem like the general trend with cyclists from the Rabobank programme? lack of bike handling skills. I'm talking about the road as well.
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| Valor |
Posted on 12-11-2007 20:05
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Well, I see I have missed a lot (at least one uf us really rides a bike) so let's start from the begining: I'm glad there is a person like Ruben, with which I can have arguments. Of course Dutch are better on road than czechs (Dekker vs. Kreuziger, let me laugh) and also they do so on track (how many medals didhey have on last WCH, Czechs had one gold and one bronze). BUT you can't say they're better in cyclocross unless Stybar is in front of Boom and Netherlands leads by 16 points, though they have riders such as a Boom, Groenendaal, De Knegt, Al and I don't remember who. As I said, we shall see after next WC.
About teams: I agree with Ruben (fro first time); In Cyclocross it's all same: If you ride for Budvar Tábor, you will have to find a brand of bikes who will sponsor you (Apache, Merida or Duratec), you will ride Czech, German and some times even belgian races (if you are good). If you are good you will be part of national team and you will ride World cup races. If you'll win a World cup, you will sign a new contract. With Rabobank. But what will change? You'll get a road bike and a two cross bikes (Colnago, of course), you'll get more money (that's the main difference), you should find a house or flat in Netherlands*(but after two week you'll find out that your neighbour is Ruben and you'll break contract and move back to Czech rep or to Belgium). What next? You'll ride mostly Dutch and Belgian races and you can expect lack of team support in races.
Howgh, I finished.
* - Petr Dlask rides for Fidea, but he tries to train in Czech rep (I saw him several times) as much as he can. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 22:06
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Dlask is riding very well too at the moment, better then Stybar last weekend.  |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 12-11-2007 22:12
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Waghlon wrote:
Levi4life wrote:
Tim Johnson will own all of Cyclo Cross.
*cough*american bias*cough*
He won Louisville GP of Cyclocross recently. He is never outside of the top 10. He has to be the best American 'Cross rider ever.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 12-11-2007 22:14
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Im still gonna play the bias card
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-11-2007 22:54
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Waghlon wrote:
Im still gonna play the bias card
"You're Anti-American! You only hate us because we're the best and you're jealous!" (or something)
in all seriousness, for once I'd like to read Levi's real opinion 
(yes, because there is absolutely no way that's his real opinion. no one can be that biased. )
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 22:59
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Interesting, I just looked at the UCI ranking system
World Cup win (like Pijnacker) 300 points
C1 (like some SP races) 60 points
C2 (GVA trophy) 30 points
That's fvcked up lol. Wellens only got 30 points for his victory in Niel. While Boom got 300 in Pijnacker yesterday. That while most crossers see the GVA as one of the most important trophies because of the money they can earn with it. |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 13-11-2007 00:39
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issoisso wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Im still gonna play the bias card
"You're Anti-American! You only hate us because we're the best and you're jealous!" (or something)
in all seriousness, for once I'd like to read Levi's real opinion
(yes, because there is absolutely no way that's his real opinion. no one can be that biased. )
Everyone in the world hates our freedom. They are jealous.
PS: Tim Johnson Rules!
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| Valor |
Posted on 13-11-2007 12:52
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Ruben wrote:
Dlask is riding very well too at the moment, better then Stybar last weekend.
It's because Dlask is more old school cyclocross rider and Stybar is more technical as Simůnek is. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-11-2007 12:55
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I love old school cyclocross, bring on the mud  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-11-2007 13:02
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glad to see you have a sense of humour about it
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| Valor |
Posted on 13-11-2007 14:44
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Ruben wrote:
I love old school cyclocross, bring on the mud
If you like it, go to Holé Vrchy this saturday, it will be mud with snow and frozen ground, the terrain where wins tho most allround rider. I'll be racing there too. Expecting many falls. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-11-2007 14:56
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Czech is a bit far for me |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-11-2007 16:11
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Ruben wrote:
Czech is a bit far for me
You only need to sneak past Germany, and if you drive an Opel draped with a danish flag, they wont even notice you.
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| Valor |
Posted on 13-11-2007 21:46
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Best cyclocross video ever: https://www.youtub...XQMw4n29qU |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 14-11-2007 01:57
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issoisso wrote:
glad to see you have a sense of humour about it
So you do hate our freedom?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-11-2007 08:49
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Levi4life wrote:
So you do hate our freedom?
stop it now
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| Valor |
Posted on 14-11-2007 15:05
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I have new official UCI rankings and Ruben certainly won't be happy with them, because of this
1. Belgium 2606
2. Czech Republic 1553
3. Netherlands 1281
4. France 902
5. Switzerland 788
So, who whose riders are better? At least untill next WC
1 NYS Sven BEL19760617 BEL 31 1030
2 STYBAR Zdenek CZE19851211 CZE 22 814
3 WELLENS Bart BEL19780810 BEL 29 810
4 VANTORNOUT Klaas BEL19820519 BEL 25 766
5 BOOM Lars NED19851230 NED 22 601
6 MOUREY Francis FRA19801208 FRA 27 540
7 VERVECKEN Erwin BEL19720323 BEL 35 468
8 HEULE Christian SUI19750402 SUI 32 459
9 DLASK Petr CZE19761020 CZE 31 436
10 VANTHOURENHOUT Sven BEL19810114 BEL 26 407
11 GROENENDAAL Richard NED19710713 NED 36 391
12 ALBERT Niels BEL19860205 BEL 21 353
13 FRANZOI Enrico ITA19820808 ITA 25 333
14 PAUWELS Kevin BEL19840412 BEL 23 326
15 AERNOUTS Bart BEL19820623 BEL 25 307
16 SIMUNEK Radomir CZE19830906 CZE 24 303
17 PAGE Jonathan USA19760916 USA 31 302
18 DE KNEGT Gerben NED19751211 NED 32 289
19 VAN GILS Wilant NED19790629 NED 28 259
20 CHAINEL Steve FRA19830906 FRA 24 259
21 ZAHNER Simon SUI19830306 SUI 24 255
22 TREBON Ryan USA19810305 USA 26 228
23 JOHNSON Timothy USA19770805 USA 30 227
24 WICKS Barry USA19811115 USA 26 220
25 POWERS Jeremy USA19830629 USA 24 210
26 AL Thijs NED19800616 NED 27 202
27 MLYNAR Zdenek CZE19761030 CZE 31 180
28 URBAN Malte GER19741214 GER 33 172
29 GARRIGAN Mike CAN19811024 CAN 26 161
30 REAIN Greg CAN19771010 CAN 30 149
31 BIRKENFELD René GER19830519 GER 24 145
32 METLICKA Vaclav SVK19730408 SVK 34 145
33 SICKMUELLER Johannes GER19820318 GER 25 140
34 JONES Christopher USA19790806 USA 28 135
35 AUSBUHER Kamil CZE19750807 CZE 32 128
36 NIJLAND Maarten NED19760322 NED 31 126
37 VANTHOURENHOUT Dieter BEL19850620 BEL 22 125
38 ANTHONY Jesse USA19850612 USA 22 118
39 BIANCO Marco ITA19821211 ITA 25 116
40 CHROBAK Jan CZE19790209 CZE 28 113
41 KLOUCEK Lukas CZE19870927 CZE 20 112
42 PARBO Joachim DEN19741118 DEN 33 108
43 DEREPAS David FRA19780309 FRA 29 103
44 KYZIVAT Vladimir CZE19820322 CZE 25 103
Comparement:
2. Stybar 814 x 5. Boom 601
9. Dlask 436 x 11. Groenendaal 391
16. Simůnek 303 x 18. De Knegt 289
19. Van Gils 259 x 27. Mlynár 180
26. Al 202 x 35. Ausbuher 128
PS: I thought that counted are points of first five riders of each country. |
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