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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-11-2007 21:28
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Crommy wrote:
I always found it incredible just how amazing Collina was - he was by the far the best ref in the world - I think I only ever saw him make a mistake once, but those scary eyes silence any complaints 
completely agreed. and the funniest thing is that before being a ref he was a central defender and he says he quit because he was very indisciplined and got sent off all the time
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| tonymcf |
Posted on 30-11-2007 01:15
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issoisso wrote:
as a friend of mine who was at the Benfica game live put it about Moratti and the Porto game: "uefa probably thought Liverpool needed a boost".
where's Collina when you need him?
Sorry but as a Liverpool fan all my life, I have to take serious exception to such a comment, especially with Blatini.... I mean Platini in charge of UEFA now. Platini in particular hates English football and especially Liverpool FC. He has adopted a stance of confrontation on both fronts since he was elected president.
A boost? Platini and UEFA would have danced if Porto had ended our hopes last night.
Porto got away with several hand-ball calls as well so it cuts both ways  and Moratti screwed both teams over when he blew for halftime when the clock said 44:45, 15 seconds early and possibly another minute of injury time on top of that. |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 07:41
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tonymcf wrote:
Porto got away with several hand-ball calls
so kicking a ball into a guy's hand 20cm away from his hand, him having no time to move it is a handball on his part?
otherwise please show me a video of whatever you mean
tonymcf wrote:
Platini in particular hates English football and especially Liverpool FC
please not the "they're against us" routine. it's tiring. I'd believe it if you were playing Real every week. which you're not.
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A boost? Platini and UEFA would have danced if Porto had ended our hopes last night.
it's nothing personal against you Tony, but considering how Liverpool won their last UEFA cup, there's no way you can say that UEFA are against you. it was a huge scandal all over europe just how much they were carried and for good reason.
Danny Murphy's handball goal was especially shocking.
the teams from more traditional countries are always carried, otherwise viewing figures would be awful.
the biggest examples of this are the world cups. about half of them have resulted in winners that were carried to the title. the most recent example was 2002. with impartial refereeing Brazil wouldn't have made it past the group stage and South Korea would've stopped at the round of sixteen
Edited by issoisso on 30-11-2007 07:43
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Posted on 30-11-2007 15:12
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issoisso wrote:
tonymcf wrote:
Porto got away with several hand-ball calls
so kicking a ball into a guy's hand 20cm away from his hand, him having no time to move it is a handball on his part?
otherwise please show me a video of whatever you mean
tonymcf wrote:
Platini in particular hates English football and especially Liverpool FC
please not the "they're against us" routine. it's tiring. I'd believe it if you were playing Real every week. which you're not.
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A boost? Platini and UEFA would have danced if Porto had ended our hopes last night.
it's nothing personal against you Tony, but considering how Liverpool won their last UEFA cup, there's no way you can say that UEFA are against you. it was a huge scandal all over europe just how much they were carried and for good reason.
Danny Murphy's handball goal was especially shocking.
the teams from more traditional countries are always carried, otherwise viewing figures would be awful.
the biggest examples of this are the world cups. about half of them have resulted in winners that were carried to the title. the most recent example was 2002. with impartial refereeing Brazil wouldn't have made it past the group stage and South Korea would've stopped at the round of sixteen
1. There lies a problem, it's handball shouts to us and accidents to you, the rulebook is still not clear on that
2 + 3 So you are using something in the past to justify today? (3rd point) UEFA today under a different leadership in Michele Platini? I can do that to back up (if not prove) how much Platini hates Liverpool (it's not a 'they're against us "routine"'.
1985. The European Cup final. Stadium - Heysel. The darkest moment in the history of Liverpool FC and the one the vast majority of Liverpool fans (even those that weren't even 2 years old like myself) still feel a very deep sense of shame about.
Liverpool Vs Juventus. The game wasn't abandoned and a 'controversial' penalty was put away by..... Michele Platini. His crowning glory or so he thought, even though Juve celebrated (the players still didn't know the full scale as yet) no-one else had the stomach for it.
There is no 1985 European Cup in the history books (by and large). It's Heysel. Even today not many care that Platini scored the only goal of the game. Platini hates this and he hates the fans of Liverpool even more because of the hooligan element that carried out the (sorry I can't find a good enough word to describe how sick it makes me feel to this day).
These scum reared their ugly heads again in Athens. I thought they were gone for good but alas no. Drunken louts with one goal (get into the match) and a combination of crap security and a stadium not fit to host such an event meant these "fans" attacked their own, including women and children and robbed tickets. Other stories related are too long to go into here but decent Liverpool fans were the first to condemn these scumbags.
Relevance? Well Platini and William Gallard (especially Gallard) labelled Liverpool fans as the worst in Europe....  UEFA said they had an undercover police dossier detailing 25 incidents outside of Athens involving Liverpool fans. They hammered the point home, even coming to England. To this day though, me and my fellow Liverpool fans don't know of incident 1... or 2... or 3 and so on. UEFA or no-one else has told us what these incidents are. How the heck can such problems be stamped out if it remains unknown what they are? Or is it possible that said dossier is a myth?
I could go into Platini's attitude to the number of foreigners in the Premier League, his complaining of foreign buyouts, the recommendation that England should have an English manager etc but I won't as it's dragged on here. We've both made our points and there you go, people have different perspectives and it's nothing personal between either of us.
Are UEFA against Liverpool? (I said Platini hates, not against as you did ) Hells bells if I know. Are they for Liverpool and backing them up? In my book, not a chance. |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:30
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tonymcf wrote:
1. There lies a problem, it's handball shouts to us and accidents to you, the rulebook is still not clear on that
the rulebook rules on intention and normal position of the arms. the arm was in that position and he had absolutely no chance of taking his arm out of the ball's path when it was kicked so strongly from so close.
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Are UEFA against Liverpool? (I said Platini hates, not against as you did ) Hells bells if I know. Are they for Liverpool and backing them up? In my book, not a chance.
I'm not going to comment on the benefits in favor of bigger clubs in terms of refereeing, as it's there in most sports and in all countries, sadly, and I see countless examples nearly every day.
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Relevance? Well Platini and William Gallard (especially Gallard) labelled Liverpool fans as the worst in Europe....
we've had this discussion in another thread recently. from countless examples of english (not british. just english) teams playing here both in european competition and during the euro, it's very rare that they don't cause trouble. during the euro especially it was unbelievable. coffee shops and stores stopped letting in english people as they'd trash places for fun. while fans of 15 other teams behaved great.
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I could go into Platini's attitude to the number of foreigners in the Premier League
say what you will, it's unbelievable how little englishmen play in the premier league. and speaking of starters in top teams, they're a handful.
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his complaining of foreign buyouts, the recommendation that England should have an English manager etc
most people outside of england are against that in all countries. it's mostly about England because most causes happen in england
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but I won't as it's dragged on here. We've both made our points and there you go, people have different perspectives and it's nothing personal between either of us.
no doubt 
Edited by issoisso on 30-11-2007 17:30
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:35
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btw, GO BENFICAB)
edit- The qualification to the UEFA cup is the minimum to a team which dominated most part of the game agains Milan.
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:36
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Marco, this is a champions league thread. I'm guessing you're talking about tomorrow?
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:37
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No, I'm not...and I were editing when you're wrote your post...
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:38
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Champion's League final move to Saturday night's from 2009 B) I think this is a very good move. |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 17:40
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tonymcf wrote:
Champion's League final move to Saturday night's from 2009 B) I think this is a very good move.
Same here...
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Posted on 30-11-2007 19:21
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Well, it doesn't change much for me, but I do see logic in moving it to a more viewer friendly time |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 19:34
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Yes, it means there can be more drinking without the worry of work in the morning  |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 20:09
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hope it doesn't clash with the song contest thing
@Tony:you have all the Boston teams apart from Boston Utd |
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Posted on 30-11-2007 20:13
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Not that Boston Although maybe I need to stick New England Revolution and Liverpool ones in. |
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Posted on 04-12-2007 17:21
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Good luck Celtic tonight against AC! I hope they do it, but its not likely. |
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Posted on 06-12-2007 09:03
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Europol is investigating the Liverpool - Besiktas game following strong evidence that the result was fixed.
when asked for comment, several betting websites admitted they had found it odd that the volume of bets on a very high result for that game was much bigger than usual, with bwin.com going as far as saying the number of bets they had received on Liverpool winning by more than 5 goals was 83 times the average number for a CL game with those odds.
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Posted on 06-12-2007 09:34
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issoisso wrote:
Europol is investigating the Liverpool - Besiktas game following strong evidence that the result was fixed.
when asked for comment, several betting websites admitted they had found it odd that the volume of bets on a very high result for that game was much bigger than usual, with bwin.com going as far as saying the number of bets they had received on Liverpool winning by more than 5 goals was 83 times the average number for a CL game with those odds.
Oh well. Next up is doping... |
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Posted on 06-12-2007 09:39
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CrueTrue wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Europol is investigating the Liverpool - Besiktas game following strong evidence that the result was fixed.
when asked for comment, several betting websites admitted they had found it odd that the volume of bets on a very high result for that game was much bigger than usual, with bwin.com going as far as saying the number of bets they had received on Liverpool winning by more than 5 goals was 83 times the average number for a CL game with those odds.
Oh well. Next up is doping...
according to UEFA next are 14 other games that are being investigated, mostly in the English and Italian leagues
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Posted on 06-12-2007 13:21
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CrueTrue wrote:
Next up is doping...
Romário's just been caught 
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Posted on 06-12-2007 13:27
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issoisso wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Next up is doping...
Romário's just been caught
what was he doping with?
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