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So what do people think the odds should be that more than, say, three managers will be regularly tweeting come the mid-point of the season.
30-1? 40-1?
Again.. if you don't like some ways of communication between the managers, why comment? A bit too negative in my opinion, but maybe that's just my opinion, right?
Do agree with ANFreeman here.
I'm just not really a fan of this sort of next level stuff with people trying to make the game what it's not. The whole deal with pretending that "rumors" are going around with transfers, or having twitter accounts...it just strikes me as childish.
You I think were one of the few to see my little back and forth with Avin in my team thread (I asked Pelli to remove it, and he was nice enough to oblige), and although I was perhaps a little harsh, my point is simple. This game is awesome because it takes a lot of skill and effort to build a good team, and then you get to watch it play out with all the luck which in inherent in a game that is as flawed as PCM. It really doesn't need that extra layer, and frankly I find it, well, childish is really the right word, so I'll use it again here. It belies the actual difficulty and skill involved, and also what makes the game fun.
And of course no matter how harsh I was, Avin saying that I clearly didn't actually enjoy the Man-Game because of my refusal to play along and that he wishes someone who did had gotten in instead of me is just about the pinnacle of childishness.
And you know what, as just a general fuck him, here's the PM he sent me about the matter. Does anyone think this is justified?
I see all the off-topics we spoke about in your team thread are deleted now, does some admin deleted it for you? Maybe it would be nice to ask me before it got deleted, it was my posts also in the end.
But smart move, now no one can see what kind of a person you can be and what you think about the man-game in fact.
Cheers,
Avin
Anyway, I'm sure SN will tell me to back off a little bit, and I probably deserve it, but seriously dude, chill the fuck out.
EDIT: This isn't to say I'm opposed to the twitter accounts or fake rumors, whatever floats your boat. I'm just saying I don't really think they're that interesting or want to be involved in them. If you want to deal with me in the transfer market, deal with me like an actual person.
This is so incredibly low acting, that i am not really sure how to respond to it. I did not have a single problem here on the site with anybody, i hope majority can say i am the friendly person, but i am still person who dont like when somebody throws shit on his head.
To let it be clear for others, lets say what really happened and lets see how it corresponds with your look on the situation. I admit i called you an asshole indirectly in your thread and i am sorry for that (not that i dont think you are one, that is exactly what are you showing with your acting here. But i am not supposed to say so publicly,sorry again).
But me saying that was only the angry reaction to you post, where you accused me of cheating and called parts of the man game idotic and stupid little games, you are too old for. And dressed me down for my metaphor name for Israel.
After this discussion, i was surprised to see all the posts including mine deleted, which i dont really like to be honest (at least Pelli could let me know, but i am not mad at you mate). But as i said i am not the one who wants banters or problems (however you were in my eyes too much offensive and disrespectful for your second chance to be the part of the best game ever). So i only sent you this PM you posted here without my permission (but actually i dont see nothing bad on what i said there, it is true in the end and not much offensive imo.)
Only last thing i did in this, for me unwanted situation, was PM to Tsmoha, who saw and reacted to our "discussion" , as i felt i am not the only one who found it odd from you to act like this. Lets not talk about his opinion on that here, in the end it is private (thus Private Mesage!). But i decided to end it there and not contact SN, about what i think is you being incredibly offensive and disrespectful to me and the man-game.
In the end i am not the kind of person who wants someone down or persecuted, i was just ready to let it go.
Btw. My former intention was not to get some advantage for my team, but to welcome you in the game in a fun way and help your team maybe with offering very promising Israeli riders, because your team had my sympathies (HAD...).
Sorry to all the other managers and people not involved in this shit, i was ready to let it go, but Deadpool made the step to make it even worse with posting my PM here (PM he was not even able to respond to).
Just enjoy this beautiful game, i will try to do the same, but i am really sad now.
And because i am not stupid, i saved the whole conversation from your thread, however i would have never posted it, if you would not started. Because what is once written, cannot be unwritten.
For anybody interested here it is: I apologize again for my offensive language, i was pretty disappointed with Deadpools attitude and that drove me mad.
Ukrainian media reports today about the rumors that suggest, that newly formed Bartali memorial team could attract some of the Israeli riders already in the peloton, with their proclaimed interest in this country cycling-wise.
Of course the article is mainly about the two Israelis in the ukrainian squad, namely Dor Dviri (national TT champ) and Idan Shapira. Metinvest is said to be very happy with their services and will try to renew with them, but if the interest from side of Bartali team should be enormous, anything can happen. According to press, the move of Dor Dviri should be more likeable and money can be deciding factor here in both potential moves, however move of Idan Shapira is said unlikely for this transfer season.
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As noted, my intention is to keep my transfer dealings private. If I'm interested in the riders you mention, or any other riders for that matter, I'll contact the relevant manager by PM once the transfer season has commenced and restrictions have been lifted.
I'll also be happy to listen to any proposals through PM as well, and in fact it's my preferred method of communication.
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Metinvest understands this attitude, however Bartali memorial team manager should be aware that these were only the media speculations and nothing official from our team.
Our two riders from the Holy country were also rumoured to be attracted by the other teams, so we watch carefuly the reactions of the teams on these sort of speculations. If somebody will wait too long to inform us about their intensions, the deal could be pretty much lost for him...in the end we want to do the best thing for both our team and these riders.
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Metinvest understands this attitude, however Bartali memorial team manager should be aware that these were only the media speculations and nothing official from our team.
Our two riders from the Holy country were also rumoured to be attracted by the other teams, so we watch carefuly the reactions of the teams on these sort of speculations. If somebody will wait too long to inform us about their intensions, the deal could be pretty much lost for him...in the end we want to do the best thing for both our team and these riders.
Avin, I'm not playing that game. Secondly, don't call it the 'Holy country'. And third, waiting until the transfer season can't be waiting too long, because you aren't allowed to start until then.
All you did is just signal you either are cheating or want me to cheat. Chill. There are plenty of other Israelis in the DB, and I'm not looking for a world-beater among them. If you want to be able to sell them to me, should I end up being interested in them, then trust me, this isn't what you want to do.
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Deadpool wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Metinvest understands this attitude, however Bartali memorial team manager should be aware that these were only the media speculations and nothing official from our team.
Our two riders from the Holy country were also rumoured to be attracted by the other teams, so we watch carefuly the reactions of the teams on these sort of speculations. If somebody will wait too long to inform us about their intensions, the deal could be pretty much lost for him...in the end we want to do the best thing for both our team and these riders.
Avin, I'm not playing that game. Secondly, don't call it the 'Holy country'. And third, waiting until the transfer season can't be waiting too long, because you aren't allowed to start until then.
All you did is just signal you either are cheating or want me to cheat. Chill. There are plenty of other Israelis in the DB, and I'm not looking for a world-beater among them. If you want to be able to sell them to me, should I end up being interested in them, then trust me, this isn't what you want to do.
Dont know what to say on this, cheating? I am just doing what is normal around the man-game world, rumours and media activity. It is fun, nothing more, sorry to bother you. If you are not buying this game, you should maybe think twice before you returned to it after you quit. Sorry for you precious time and for my methaphor for Israel and be sure i have no intension to continue in talks with you, because as you are not playing this game, i am not playing with assholes.
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Metinvest understands this attitude, however Bartali memorial team manager should be aware that these were only the media speculations and nothing official from our team.
Our two riders from the Holy country were also rumoured to be attracted by the other teams, so we watch carefuly the reactions of the teams on these sort of speculations. If somebody will wait too long to inform us about their intensions, the deal could be pretty much lost for him...in the end we want to do the best thing for both our team and these riders.
Avin, I'm not playing that game. Secondly, don't call it the 'Holy country'. And third, waiting until the transfer season can't be waiting too long, because you aren't allowed to start until then.
All you did is just signal you either are cheating or want me to cheat. Chill. There are plenty of other Israelis in the DB, and I'm not looking for a world-beater among them. If you want to be able to sell them to me, should I end up being interested in them, then trust me, this isn't what you want to do.
Dont know what to say on this, cheating? I am just doing what is normal around the man-game world, rumours and media activity. It is fun, nothing more, sorry to bother you. If you are not buying this game, you should maybe think twice before you returned to it after you quit. Sorry for you precious time and for my methaphor for Israel and be sure i have no intension to continue in talks with you, because as you are not playing this game, i am not playing with assholes.
I have no interest in doing the idiotic thing where you pretend you are the media and talk about reports. Just say what you want to say as the manager. The game is awesome enough, especially in the transfer season, that it doesn't need to be dressed up with stupid little games.
And I'm not sure what you mean about my cheating quote. Did you or did you not say in response to my statement regarding waiting for the transfer season to begin as possibly being "too long." And did or did I not say I only plan to work through PM's for transfer dealings. With those too things, the implication seemed to be that you wanted me to make overtures in your direction.
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Deadpool wrote:
And I'm not sure what you mean about my cheating quote. Did you or did you not say in response to my statement regarding waiting for the transfer season to begin as possibly being "too long." And did or did I not say I only plan to work through PM's for transfer dealings. With those too things, the implication seemed to be that you wanted me to make overtures in your direction.
Of course i had no intensions in cheating with that quote, i was even the one who thought that any Pms also during transfers are forbidden, so i would be last one to try something you suggest (PMing before transfers?), i am not such a person.
You misunderstood me badly and answered with very unpolite manner, i was just having fun and that post was part of it.
What i meant with that sentence was try to be assertive management, referrence to "fantasy management world" where our management should be conntacted fast. It was supposed to lift up the pressure around the israeli riders (fun).Sorry if this is so idiotic little game for you (now i feel sorry for some managers who would enjoy these idiotic games and you were picked instead of them for the man-game).
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Our two riders from the Holy country were also rumored to be attracted by the other teams, so we watch carefuly the reactions of the teams on these sort of speculations. If somebody will wait too long to inform us about their intensions, the deal could be pretty much lost for him...in the end we want to do the best thing for both our team and these riders.
I really couldn't care less about the whole twitter and showing interest thing discussion. Everyone plays this game his own way. If you have fun making these inquiries in media threads, then feel free to do so. If you don't, that's also fine. There isn't a rule for this.
The rule does state that making any deals prior to the transfer season are prohibited. However, i have the feeling, that with these inquiries posts, deals are more or less getting sealed. This isn't only pointed towards this post, but it is a good example to use nonetheless.
I don't mind replying to inquiries made in my media thread, but if you see a rider you have in mind being popular, you are more or less forced to make an inquiry aswell.
I've seen posts along the lines of:
"Rider A has been rumoured to Team C, any comments?"
"Rider A has indeed been comfirmed to team C, Rider B from Team C has however been rumored to Team D, any comments on this?"
"Rider B would indeed like to ride for a team from his home country."
That's almost like a confirmed deal, just without the exact numbers.
Edited by Kami on 25-10-2012 07:52
I dont mind if you dont like certain aspects of the Game, but if youre going to keep posting negatively about it - miggi and deadpool - then I will start to mind, and wonder if different managers should have been chosen instead.
Make your point once if you dont like it, then leave it be. Youre welcome to your opinion, but dont try to ram it down other people's throughts. It isnt childish to be more involved in the game, it is childish to keep complaining about how people are more involved in the game.
But similarly, these opinions should be respected. I dont think Avin should have continued how he did on Deadpool's thread when it was clear Deadpool wasnt interested, and it has always been allowed to request an admin to delete posts in your Teams HQ thread if you wish. (Vien might want to do that at some point to clear away the Dombrowski discussion that hijacked his team thread!).
However, if you ask an admin to delete posts in the thread ... dont bloody bring the whole thing back up at your own convenience. You can't have it both ways Deadpool. Your attitude has been a bit dissapointing to be honest. We've given you a 2nd chance at this, and your most memorable actions to date are complaining that you werent personally added to the database, and complaining in this thread.
Its great to see lots more Teams HQ activity, whenever new teams are added. Too many long-running managers tend to ignore the Teams HQ part of the game, or do very little, which is a shame. I noticed that a few of the 'media interest' posts were the first mosts made on particular team threads since the end of the last transfer period.
The purist approach of ignoring other teams, and just trying to do your own thing, is a little boring imo. Does to an extent make some people come across as less interested in the game. I hope the ProTour interaction improves this season with the influx of 6 new CT teams. A few teams were dibanded for not contributing at all, but some teams who remain were certainly quite subdued.
There really is no need to be discussing transfers now, yet people do anyway. And perhaps Kami you are right that some managers are taking it a bit too far already - making offers at other teams, hidden in the guise of a media report. Better than doing it by PM, but still not ideal. It is uncontrolable though.
The temptation with those who get in to the Twitter thing will inevitably be to do that more, hence why I felt I had to try and follow it a little. Sure enough, there were various transfer hints going on and so I put that reminder up.
And personally, I dont like it when some managers do this:
Team X posts on the HQ thread for Team Y saying:
"Team Y's rider has said that he doesnt like being at Team Y, and wants to be at Team X instead"
This isnt rumours or even stating that you are interested in that rider, its more than likely just being annoying to the manager of Team Y. Deciding what a rider is thinking should really only be done by the manager of that rider - if they want to do such a thing.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 25-10-2012 09:40
I'm just not really a fan of this sort of next level stuff with people trying to make the game what it's not. The whole deal with pretending that "rumors" are going around with transfers, or having twitter accounts...it just strikes me as childish.
It was a good thing you applied for a team again. We missed you.
And btw (Haven't read the whole thing yet)... I think you are missing the point of the game Deadpool.
You say that it's all about creating a good team and managing it, which is basically true, but imo it's also about making connections within the game, to make alliances in transfer windows, and make "enemies" you want to beat. It's more personal than just focusing on your own team. Well it is for my point of view.
I won't say that I'm trying to make friends in here, nor am I trying to piss people off (though I tend to do occassionally), but I do try to make some good connections to other managers. Otherwise I don't see the point in playing a game with other real persons, I could just play the game vs. the AI as it is. Or Football Manager in it's original form.
This game is able to take PCM quite a lot closer to real life, than the game can, and personal relations and connections is the key here. So whether you post rumours on HQ, PM eachother saying cool shirt. But mine is better. Or whether you tweet them saying, Dombrowski is mine! It's all down to the fact that we get into our own little world here, and to the managers attending this is real. We know that it's all based on randomness and statistics, that you can't do anything about, but why not try to control the things you can control? The personal relations with other managers?
In this game I have a list of managers I would rather sell a rider to than others, any day. I know most others have aswell. That is just part of the game, and something that would not happen in the AI. You need to use your own personal qualification. Mine are selling, negoitiation and stuff like that, which is actually my job in the daily livings. If you take that part out of the game - For me, it would be boring as hell.
So every interaction possibility is just awesome, and makes the game every bit more intense, which is freaking amazing!
Thanks for the oppinion on the matter SotD (i feel it pretty same as you do with added fantasy depth) and SN. I agree it was unnecessary from me to continue to post in the Bartali team thread after i was smacked down, it was the attitude that pissed me and provoked me, but i will try to control myself better next time. And sorry again for offensive language.
That is all i have to say on that matter, for me it is over now and i would like to focus on transfers (i will watch it better now if i am not behind the line) and season 2013 in the best game ever!
Miggi and others concerned about copyright; you can make your tweets private. Only confirmed followers will be able to see your tweets. Then you add something like 'fictional cycling team in the PCM Daily Management Game' to your description, and MG to your Username.
Come one - give Deadpool a break - if anyone knows about not seeing stuff through, it's Deadpool.
Me, personally, I have a JV type twitter account for the team in mind with the goal of getting one of the real riders on my team to actually tweet in response. Little chance - but hoping it'll be a fun (and quick) way to keep the team thread active.
