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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Kami |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:43
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I just read the article on Sporza and they mentioned something about taking his 7 Tour victories away. Then i remembered that every top 5 (bar maybe Zubeldia and Kivilev?) during his 7 victories has been atleast named in doping affairs before.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:45
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What will happen with the Tour-titles now? Will they be "vacant" or will they be given to the best placed rider who hasn't been caught? You're going to have go a mighty long way down the list to find him...
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:47
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What happens to the Tour titles is irrelevant in my opinion. The important point is more that, in general, if it can be proved a rider cheated, then that should be publicly/officially known - so they cant continue to pretend to have been clean and make a whole load of money off that.
Not surprised that Armstrong has dodged the going to court option, because I have read many of issoisso's posts in the past about Armstrong and court avoidance 
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:14
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The bias is killing me.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:18
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CountArach wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Also wow, there are 6 people who said that they think he didn't dope. That is more than I thought were still out there.
I dont get these lunatics.  Seven now...
Why the hell you are such a pussy Armstrong and you refuse to go to the court? Better to keep saying i am innocent victim of the witchhunt? Moron...
I think he should also pay the prize money he got for his wins at least.
He's not really being a pussy - he's being clever. He doesn't want most of America to actually know the details of the case. He wants to be able sit there and say it's a witchhunt and that USADA are chasing after him because of a personal vendetta/they hate America/they love cancer. If he goes to court and loses, then the whole of the USA will hear about how their cancer-beating hero was a cheat like everyone else.
And Armstrong will no longer be powerful or important.
Where's the "I like this post - I wish I had written it myself" button ?
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I'd like to hear more from the 'Armstrong didn't dope' crowd. I think this site has proven in the past that there are a lot of misconceptions out there that can be dispelled by facts (and issoisso ).
Yeah, 27 people voted innocent and almost none of them feel like this discussion is worth their opinion?
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| arthon |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:18
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cactus-jack wrote:
What will happen with the Tour-titles now? Will they be "vacant" or will they be given to the best placed rider who hasn't been caught? You're going to have go a mighty long way down the list to find him...
Best solution, IMO, is a Riis style asterisk saying "Tour won by doping". |
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:23
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So basically the USADA is stripping the titles from one doper so they can be given to another doper. They have really hit the nail on the head there. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:23
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Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Also disappointed that this didn't go to arbitration, but I expected it. I still have a (very small) hope that the USADA can release the evidence now the case is closed.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:25
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kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule. |
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Posted on 24-08-2012 12:25
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The thing that's getting on my goat here. Online today I've seen the old chestnut "never tested positive" being thrown around. Let's look at Puerto and Fuentes here. If memory serves me right, Ullrich did not test positive for blood doping, they matched his DNA later. Valverde likewise. Basso "I didn't dope I was only intending to dope" was there too. Jaksche and Scarponi held their hands up and admitted they were at it but I don't recall them testing positive. The "never tested positive" excuse is, in my opinion, a pile of bull. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:30
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Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
What if they simply go dow the list to the best clean rider?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 24-08-2012 12:30
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Best news in a long time. I really hope they will go through stripping him of his titles.
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| kolnierz |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:31
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Yeah, 27 people voted innocent and almost none of them feel like this discussion is worth their opinion?Cool
I voted that he is/was innocent. But I don't know all facts, as it was pointed to me some time ago.
I just don't "belive" in that, if someone could give me a reason to change my mind i'll do it. But for now, as much as i know there is only some "contaminated" blood tests and words of other dopers. I couldn't find any proof in strict definition of it. I hope he's innocent, until some fact or judge statement won't convince me to change that opinion. That's all, this discussion is pointless (I think) becouse, all of us has only own opinions and reasons to just "belive" in some answers. |
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| Maddrengen |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:32
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SportingNonsense wrote:
What happens to the Tour titles is irrelevant in my opinion. T he important point is more that, in general, if it can be proved a rider cheated, then that should be publicly/officially known - so they cant continue to pretend to have been clean and make a whole load of money off that.
Not surprised that Armstrong has dodged the going to court option, because I have read many of issoisso's posts in the past about Armstrong and court avoidance He hasn't been caught yet. There's no public prove that he did it. He simple just don't think it's worth it.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:33
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Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
My wish is also to let it without the winner, that rule is stupid in that case.
But hey germans, you can now have four more Tour titles (3 for Jan and one for Kloeden), also one for Zülle, Beloki and Basso? Nice company
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:35
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Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
I thought so. Oh well, congrats Liquigas, unexpected Tour de France victory coming for you!
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:36
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Maddrengen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
What happens to the Tour titles is irrelevant in my opinion. T he important point is more that, in general, if it can be proved a rider cheated, then that should be publicly/officially known - so they cant continue to pretend to have been clean and make a whole load of money off that.
Not surprised that Armstrong has dodged the going to court option, because I have read many of issoisso's posts in the past about Armstrong and court avoidance He hasn't been caught yet. There's no public prove that he did it. He simple just don't think it's worth it.
So many fooled people, Lance is one of the best illusionist of the modern times, he makes people believe the utter bullshit,like that he was able to win 7 titles in golden era of doping in cycling...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:38
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kumazan wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
I thought so. Oh well, congrats Liquigas, unexpected Tour de France victory coming for you!
Liquigas?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:39
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
I thought so. Oh well, congrats Liquigas, unexpected Tour de France victory coming for you!
Liquigas?
Basso.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 12:40
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kumazan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Great day for the sport today. Now, if they were a bit clever, they would leave those 7 Tours without a winner, that would totally make my day. Guess they won't, though.
Thing is the rule states the victory must be given to the second there. Which is stupid in this case, but that's still the rule.
I thought so. Oh well, congrats Liquigas, unexpected Tour de France victory coming for you!
Liquigas?
Basso.
Ah, you mean it goes now to the Liquigas, but it goes rather to Riis and CSC...but yeah, Liquigas will have a GT winner in the squad maybe.
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