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| Pinktay3 |
Posted on 17-06-2012 10:04
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
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Personally, i think it will be a whole different race to previous years where TT ability doesn't nessesarily come into play (unlike this year, obviously). If Sylvain Chavanel or Tony Martin can find the form of their Tour de France's of 2010 and 2009 respectively, both have a very realistic chance of high Tour success. Sylvain Chavanel can climb both Hill's and the Lower Mountain's very well, and is a TT'er fully capable of losing minimal time and even putting some back into the favourite, except for the likes of Tony Martin, who should win both long TT's and, judging by his 2009 performance up Mont Ventoux, should have ample climbing ability to keep up with the favourite's on all but a few of the climbs, especially considering he is now relieved of lead-out duties for Mark Cavendish.
Chavanel? No way. Even when he was in his amazing 2010 form, he got dropped on the first actual mountain. He's very decent on the hills as you said, but he's way too weak on the serious climbs to even think about a GC result. After La Toussuire, he'll be a long way from the top of the GC.
Yes, i do agree to a point. But if he went into the Tour with a goal of let's say a Top-5 on GC, then who knows, he could become the Thomas Voeckler of 2012 |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 17-06-2012 10:12
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Pinktay3 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Pinktay3 wrote:
Personally, i think it will be a whole different race to previous years where TT ability doesn't nessesarily come into play (unlike this year, obviously). If Sylvain Chavanel or Tony Martin can find the form of their Tour de France's of 2010 and 2009 respectively, both have a very realistic chance of high Tour success. Sylvain Chavanel can climb both Hill's and the Lower Mountain's very well, and is a TT'er fully capable of losing minimal time and even putting some back into the favourite, except for the likes of Tony Martin, who should win both long TT's and, judging by his 2009 performance up Mont Ventoux, should have ample climbing ability to keep up with the favourite's on all but a few of the climbs, especially considering he is now relieved of lead-out duties for Mark Cavendish.
Chavanel? No way. Even when he was in his amazing 2010 form, he got dropped on the first actual mountain. He's very decent on the hills as you said, but he's way too weak on the serious climbs to even think about a GC result. After La Toussuire, he'll be a long way from the top of the GC.
Yes, i do agree to a point. But if he went into the Tour with a goal of let's say a Top-5 on GC, then who knows, he could become the Thomas Voeckler of 2012
That possibility definitely exists. Although I think Voeckler is a better climber than Chavanel.
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| Deep_House |
Posted on 17-06-2012 11:33
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 17-06-2012 11:50
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Evans. He is a good TTer and a better climber than Wiggans, and I think he (Wiggans) has peaked too early. Evan if Andy was going to race it, I doubt that he would be able to win it thanks to all the time trials
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| andrebaptista |
Posted on 17-06-2012 11:58
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In my opinion it will be another win for Cadel Evans. The final podium will be Evans, Nibali, Wiggins.
The mountain stages with lots of downhills will favour Nibali and Evans since Wiggins isn't the best downhiller out there, but then the TTs will favour Wiggins. But in the end it will depend a lot on the teams and the support this riders will get from their main helpers, Evans and Nibali are used to ride alone, but Wiggins not so much (based on 2011 Vuelta, don't know how he is now).
Gesink, Sanchez and Van Den Broeck are my other favourites. Gesink will have to be more regular (one stage he is with the best, the next he has some bad luck or lack of strenght and loses 10min), Sanchez will have to recover completely from his fall in Dauphine and Van den Broeck just needs to avoid falls. |
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| climeon |
Posted on 17-06-2012 17:43
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Pinktay3 wrote:
Yes, i do agree to a point. But if he went into the Tour with a goal of let's say a Top-5 on GC, then who knows, he could become the Thomas Voeckler of 2012
Chavanel went into the dauphine with a goal of a high placing, did a great time trial and was then dropped early on in the grand columbier stage, maybe he could have an amazing rise in form, but I doubt he could be top 20, let alone top 5 |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:14
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EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
lokytrew wrote:
Wiggins will win this. He has by far the strongest timetrial amd he won't lose minutes on Evans in the mountains. Nibali or Gesink for the last podiumspot. Frank Schleck will totally fail, because he just can't timetrial.
Evans and Wiggins doesn't know how to attack , they only suck wheels. It's normal if they don't loose time on each other. But they won't win time either.
Too many descents this year. Wiggins is not good in that but his team gonna work for him. It is a fucking thing that Wiggins can do on a bike except time trial ?
If Wiggins can only TT then you won't have to worry about the GC 
Also I'm surprised at anyone who watched last years Tour and the way Evans won it describing him as a wheel sucker - clearly he's not Gilbert but seriously there must be some respect hiding away there somewhere...
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:20
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jph27 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
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Wiggins, sadly. A triumph for timid cycling if it happens.
He would rather you used the word consistent instead of timid
And I'd rather he rode with some panache. 
I can totally understand people don't enjoy it but you've got to work with what you've got even if you're blessed with zero explosivity. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:20
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ianrussell wrote:
Also I'm surprised at anyone who watched last years Tour and the way Evans won it describing him as a wheel sucker - clearly he's not Gilbert but seriously there must be some respect hiding away there somewhere...
Some people just labeled Evans as a wheelsucker some years ago and won't change that even if Evans became a crazier version of Johnny Hoogerland.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:22
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EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Evans and Wiggins doesn't know how to attack , they only suck wheels. It's normal if they don't loose time on each other. But they won't win time either.
As requested in another topic : give examples of them sucking wheels.
Too many descents this year. Wiggins is not good in that but his team gonna work for him. It is a fucking thing that Wiggins can do on a bike except time trial ? Winning half difficult stages bunch sprints, climbing, the madison (on track), that sort of things, among others.
Have people forgotten to tell me that we are holding a 'most definitive stupid opinion contest' in this thread ? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:23
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Wiggins cant win..because he won Dauphine |
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| EdvaldBoassonHagen |
Posted on 18-06-2012 00:08
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Aquarius wrote:
EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Evans and Wiggins doesn't know how to attack , they only suck wheels. It's normal if they don't loose time on each other. But they won't win time either.
As requested in another topic : give examples of them sucking wheels.
Too many descents this year. Wiggins is not good in that but his team gonna work for him. It is a fucking thing that Wiggins can do on a bike except time trial ? Winning half difficult stages bunch sprints, climbing, the madison (on track), that sort of things, among others.
Have people forgotten to tell me that we are holding a 'most definitive stupid opinion contest' in this thread ?
I really don't appreciate the way he is makiing his teammates working. In 1 or 2 stages Ok but on the whole race and he always awaits for a timetrial.
I can loose 5 minutes on a climb but he is considered as a favourite because he wins Dauphiné , Paris - Nice an Romandie thanks to time trials.
I will finish : as-tu déja vu Wiggins attaquer ?
Edited by EdvaldBoassonHagen on 18-06-2012 00:09
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 18-06-2012 04:09
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Cadel for me
a whole team devoted to his aspirations will be better than the team (sky) which is fighting for both yellow and green
Sky'll be too tired by the third week, and the lack of support will show |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-06-2012 04:26
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EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Evans and Wiggins doesn't know how to attack , they only suck wheels. It's normal if they don't loose time on each other. But they won't win time either.
As requested in another topic : give examples of them sucking wheels.
Too many descents this year. Wiggins is not good in that but his team gonna work for him. It is a fucking thing that Wiggins can do on a bike except time trial ? Winning half difficult stages bunch sprints, climbing, the madison (on track), that sort of things, among others.
Have people forgotten to tell me that we are holding a 'most definitive stupid opinion contest' in this thread ?
I really don't appreciate the way he is makiing his teammates working. In 1 or 2 stages Ok but on the whole race and he always awaits for a timetrial.
I can loose 5 minutes on a climb but he is considered as a favourite because he wins Dauphiné , Paris - Nice an Romandie thanks to time trials.
I will finish : as-tu déja vu Wiggins attaquer ?
The Tour will be won in Time Trials. He won those races in Time Trials. How is he not a favourite? He goes in to this as 1 of 2 riders who most people think have a realistic chance of winning it and so his team will work for him because this is a team sport. You can't bitch about him forcing his team to work for him because that is their job. They are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, in order to do that, with the understanding that they can't win every day so when theyhave to work for one of the biggest names in the sport to win the sport's biggest race they do it.
Obviously you are a fan of EBH. If you ask him what he will do in the race - he will say that he wants to work for Wiggins. These people are friends with each other (something we tend to forget sometimes) and they are professional athletes who know what their job is. His job - in this race - is not to work for himself, but to work for the team that is paying him millions of dollars every year.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-06-2012 10:31
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samdiatmh wrote:
Cadel for me
a whole team devoted to his aspirations will be better than the team (sky) which is fighting for both yellow and green
Sky'll be too tired by the third week, and the lack of support will show
I'd be very surprised if Sky go for anything other than stages and yellow. I think Cavendish will almost certainly leave well before the end. Of course I've been known to be totally wrong in the past 
*Edit Talking of me being totally wrong he is already speaking about he possibility of staying on  but can't see Sky devoting much energy to green even if he does.
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 18-06-2012 10:35
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CountArach wrote:
EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
EdvaldBoassonHagen wrote:
Evans and Wiggins doesn't know how to attack , they only suck wheels. It's normal if they don't loose time on each other. But they won't win time either.
As requested in another topic : give examples of them sucking wheels.
Too many descents this year. Wiggins is not good in that but his team gonna work for him. It is a fucking thing that Wiggins can do on a bike except time trial ? Winning half difficult stages bunch sprints, climbing, the madison (on track), that sort of things, among others.
Have people forgotten to tell me that we are holding a 'most definitive stupid opinion contest' in this thread ?
I really don't appreciate the way he is makiing his teammates working. In 1 or 2 stages Ok but on the whole race and he always awaits for a timetrial.
I can loose 5 minutes on a climb but he is considered as a favourite because he wins Dauphiné , Paris - Nice an Romandie thanks to time trials.
I will finish : as-tu déja vu Wiggins attaquer ?
The Tour will be won in Time Trials. He won those races in Time Trials. How is he not a favourite? He goes in to this as 1 of 2 riders who most people think have a realistic chance of winning it and so his team will work for him because this is a team sport. You can't bitch about him forcing his team to work for him because that is their job. They are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, in order to do that, with the understanding that they can't win every day so when theyhave to work for one of the biggest names in the sport to win the sport's biggest race they do it.
Obviously you are a fan of EBH. If you ask him what he will do in the race - he will say that he wants to work for Wiggins. These people are friends with each other (something we tend to forget sometimes) and they are professional athletes who know what their job is. His job - in this race - is not to work for himself, but to work for the team that is paying him millions of dollars every year.
+1 I think he's been taking our Sky trolling too seriously.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2012 10:39
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https://www.cyclin...-de-france
F. Schleck doesn't think he can hold this form. Well obviously.
Who will Radioshack use as co-leader? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-06-2012 10:55
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Fuglsang for sure though without proper preparation he may have yet another missed opportunity to shine.
What about Bennati for the sprints?
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| superider2010 |
Posted on 18-06-2012 10:59
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someone else will make the double,that contador coudn't previous year
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-06-2012 11:01
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I voted for Evans, as i see him as the combo of TT and mountains, Wiggins will fall in one of the first stages and will not finish the Tour. Because of that Froome will take over the leadership and finish second overall just to be found guilty of doping later.
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