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| roturn |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:45
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Nice to see Rothaus being active with Koep and Hesjedal. Especially nice that my leader is active different than in Wellington. He just has to improve a lot in his sprint skills. 
But what happened to Cucinotta? He finished in the very last group 21min later with such a big peloton? I expected him to be much better with 60hill. Hope he didn`t crash. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:56
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roturn wrote:
Nice to see Rothaus being active with Koep and Hesjedal. Especially nice that my leader is active different than in Wellington. He just has to improve a lot in his sprint skills.
But what happened to Cucinotta? He finished in the very last group 21min later with such a big peloton? I expected him to be much better with 60hill. Hope he didn`t crash.
Everyone from 84th back was dropped on the first climb of the day, so they lost loads of time compared to the rest, who stuck it out till the peleton upped the pace with 10km to go
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:57
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How can one loose more than two minutes in 10km?
Kessler´s result was ok, i hope he has some better luck during the next hilly stage.
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| roturn |
Posted on 11-08-2011 23:08
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mb2612 wrote:
Everyone from 84th back was dropped on the first climb of the day, so they lost loads of time compared to the rest, who stuck it out till the peleton upped the pace with 10km to go
This makes more sense now as riders like Haugard with weaker climbing stats lost just 2min.
But still sounds like bad positioning by some riders. Luckily the stage wasn`t flat until the end, then it would have been fatal.
Also in the other races so far you can see that early splits just relax instead of fighting back into the peloton when the pace is slow. This can end bad in GT`s or other races with the time limit. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-08-2011 01:35
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Vanendert sprinting for 10th. Can't say I saw that coming. At least he is attentive.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 12-08-2011 07:50
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Good to see Elissonde in the move and relatively strong. McCarthy finishing 5th was solid in a chaotic finish.
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 12-08-2011 07:59
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Pleased with how active Konovalovas was, and good that Coutts gets to wear the KOM jersey for a day. Not a bad result! Hopefully Konovalovas can have another go soon.
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| Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 12-08-2011 08:14
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This Tour hasn't been much of a success until now, I hope Corioni can turn that trend on stage 3.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:06
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Good to see that the old man still can! Once again good work from the hole team, and nice with another win!
Now it´s up to Wyss to get some points in those 2 hilly stages. |
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| beagle |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:07
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viking90 wrote:
Good to see that the old man still can! Once again good work from the hole team, and nice with another win!
Now it´s up to Wyss to get some points in those 2 hilly stages.
nice win again!
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:12
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Another great sprint from Hushovd there.
Also Poulhies sprinting into 5th place! I was expecting absolutely nothing from him this season so this result really is outstanding. It just goes to show that the nationality bonus makes up for a complete lack of talent.
Dillier falling off the back of the group 2 days in a row. What a goose.
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| BoogieBoogie |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:46
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Can someone explain why Langeveld is placed 13th in GC instead of 8th.
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:51
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Happy with Novak and Cucinotta`s positioning.
Not happy with Cucinotta`s result. He should be able to get a podium or at least a top5 here, but is outsprinted by riders like Kessler. ;(
Makes me feel pretty much afraid with my other sprinters being similar riders than him. Hopefully just the exhausting from yesterday...
Congrats to Saab again, was a nice train. Tomorrow the action will start. Bellis for stage 4 I think.
Nice to see me first in the team rankings. Love the Cya logic, although it will be fixed in the end.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-08-2011 14:53
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BoogieBoogie wrote:
Can someone explain why Langeveld is placed 13th in GC instead of 8th.
He has come 4th, 30th and 26th on the 3 stages thus far whereas Trusov has come 5th, 17th and 4th. I don't know about the other riders placed higher but I'm guessing they also have done better on average in placings.
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| BoogieBoogie |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:04
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What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:06
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BoogieBoogie wrote:
What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
Then how do you decide who is ahead in the first place?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:08
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BoogieBoogie wrote:
What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
It matters for countbacks in the final GC as someone who has done better on average should do better than someone who did well on the first stage and then rode in with the peleton later.
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| BoogieBoogie |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:13
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mb2612 wrote:
BoogieBoogie wrote:
What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
Then how do you decide who is ahead in the first place?
The winner of the first stage should be first and so on. If in the second stage everyone finishes in the bunch but the leader finishes in last place he's still the leader right (except bonifications). Nothing changes to the GC in that case or am I wrong?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:18
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BoogieBoogie wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
BoogieBoogie wrote:
What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
Then how do you decide who is ahead in the first place?
The winner of the first stage should be first and so on. If in the second stage everyone finishes in the bunch but the leader finishes in last place he's still the leader right (except bonifications). Nothing changes to the GC in that case or am I wrong?
That's not how it works irl, so it doesn't work that way in PCM either. If there are no time difference, GC position is decided by the average finish position in each stage. Garzelli has won (irl) a couple of stage races this way.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:24
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BoogieBoogie wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
BoogieBoogie wrote:
What does it have to do with average placings? If everyone finishes in the same time the GC shoudn't change I think.
Then how do you decide who is ahead in the first place?
The winner of the first stage should be first and so on. If in the second stage everyone finishes in the bunch but the leader finishes in last place he's still the leader right (except bonifications). Nothing changes to the GC in that case or am I wrong?
The difference with winning is that people usually get bonus seconds, which would change that situation, as you say. In that case the leader would probably then be coming 2nd behind whoever came 1st in the 2nd stage, UNLESS that other person came last in the 1st stage. In this case there are no bonus seconds, so that isn't the case. Let me explain with an example
If the results are this (and there are no bonus seconds):
1st Stage
1st - Person A
2nd - Person B
3rd - Person C
4th - Person D
5th - Person E
The general classification after the first stage would look the same.
Then after the second stage, if the results came in like this:
2nd Stage
1st - Person B
2nd - Person C
3rd - Person D
4th - Person E
5th - Person A
The GC would probably looks like:
1st - Person B
2nd - Person C
3rd - Person A
4th - Person D
5th - Person E
B and C have performed more consistently and so are higher up the GC.
I'm not sure if this is exactly right, but I suspect it is true. The other alternative would be:
1st - Person B
2nd - Person A
3rd - Person C
4th - Person D
5th - Person E
Where A is in second because they won the stage earlier and on the countback they didn't perform as well as B did on the first stage. Either way they would not be in the lead, and this is working on the assumption that they won the stage. In teh situation under discussion, no one won any stages.
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