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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-08-2011 13:33
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Romain Feillu will undergo a surgery operation for his collarbone, after falling in the final km of the last Tour de Pologne stage.
He'll be replaced by Jonathan Hivert from Saur-Sojasun for the pre-Olympic race next Sunday.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 07-08-2011 14:06
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It was just a matter of time to see Feillu going down in a sprint but i wouldn´t wish him to miss such important races due to injuries.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-08-2011 14:38
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Britain now up to 7th in the Nations Rankings.
Officially better than Netherlands, USA and France  according to the UCI
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:01
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If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
Edited by ruben on 08-08-2011 15:03
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:07
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ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
However you then disadvantage the likes of Luxembourg, and prevent developing nations getting more than 1 rider because countries with lots of point scorers will overtake them. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:16
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ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
Of course its a stupid ranking, but its always funny when Britain ends up above Netherlands
It rewards a country having a top points scoring rider, as opposed to depth in points scoring. There is some merit in that, but the system is still a shambles - CQ is of course the better judge.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:27
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
Of course its a stupid ranking, but its always funny when Britain ends up above Netherlands
It rewards a country having a top points scoring rider, as opposed to depth in points scoring. There is some merit in that, but the system is still a shambles - CQ is of course the better judge.
The main point of the nations ranking is to decide who gets 9 riders at the worlds. Why they don't use 9 riders is a mystery to me.
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:29
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mb2612 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
Of course its a stupid ranking, but its always funny when Britain ends up above Netherlands
It rewards a country having a top points scoring rider, as opposed to depth in points scoring. There is some merit in that, but the system is still a shambles - CQ is of course the better judge.
The main point of the nations ranking is to decide who gets 9 riders at the worlds. Why they don't use 9 riders is a mystery to me.
Exactly, it's just simple logic. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 08-08-2011 15:31
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Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year. 
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| Inferio |
Posted on 08-08-2011 16:10
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Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
Not very usual preparation for cyclo-cross season  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-08-2011 19:58
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jph27 wrote:
ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
However you then disadvantage the likes of Luxembourg, and prevent developing nations getting more than 1 rider because countries with lots of point scorers will overtake them.
The thing is that the ranking exists only to decide how many riders a country takes to the Worlds. If more riders counted, the countries with depth would take quite a few riders, and the countries with just 2 or 3 good riders would take just 2 or 3 riders.
In other words, countries would take about as many good riders as they have, which would make sense
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-08-2011 20:10
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If that'd make sense, that's why the UCI doesn't do it. Simple. |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 08-08-2011 20:18
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Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
Probably want to test himself in GT, and Vuelta is perfect one for first GT in riders career. If you ask me, I think Stybar could turn into a GC contender in 2-3 years. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 08-08-2011 20:31
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I_Mayo wrote:
Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
If you ask me, I think Stybar could turn into a GC contender in 2-3 years.
Based on what do you think he could be a GC rider? |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 08-08-2011 20:54
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Wilier wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
If you ask me, I think Stybar could turn into a GC contender in 2-3 years.
Based on what do you think he could be a GC rider?
To be honest, I don't know, I just have such a feeling. It may be the boldest prediction, but something inside of me says that he will be a very good GC rider.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 08-08-2011 21:05
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I_Mayo wrote:
Wilier wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
If you ask me, I think Stybar could turn into a GC contender in 2-3 years.
Based on what do you think he could be a GC rider?
To be honest, I don't know, I just have such a feeling. It may be the boldest prediction, but something inside of me says that he will be a very good GC rider.
I have a feeling that he will be more of a classic rider, a bit like Gilbert. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-08-2011 21:09
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Every time someone says something like that I think back to when the belgian press was going wild that "Tom Boonen can be a TdF winner if he trains for it!"
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| Roman |
Posted on 08-08-2011 21:43
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Wilier wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Wilier wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Roman wrote:
Zdenek Stybar won't end his road season in Eneco Tour, like he was saying all season long, but it looks like he will ride Vuelta as well this year.
If you ask me, I think Stybar could turn into a GC contender in 2-3 years.
Based on what do you think he could be a GC rider?
To be honest, I don't know, I just have such a feeling. It may be the boldest prediction, but something inside of me says that he will be a very good GC rider.
I have a feeling that he will be more of a classic rider, a bit like Gilbert.
Hmm, it's difficult about Stybar. He thinks about himself he could be good rider for classics one day, he means classics like Flanders or Roubaix. I follow him really tightly but I really don't think he has a needed 'engine' for Roubaix. I feel he will be more likely type of rider like for Ardeenes classics. Hills aren't too big problems for him and he really likes to prepare himself for the biggest cyclocross races in mountains in high mountains. In GTs, I really don't know indeed. I have some big questions about his recovery, Vuelta will probably answer on this question. And his time trial is really big question as well. I think he could be really good time trialist, but he did almost no training on the time trial bike so far, he looks horrible on the TT bike..
So my bet is he will have the biggest chances to success in a race like Liege-Bastogne-Liege or Tour de Romandie and maybe Flanders. Plus I have really big questions about him in GTs and in time trial.
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-08-2011 22:46
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ruben wrote:
If you would count the best 10 riders instead of the ridicolous best 5 riders rule Britain would be behind all those countries you named.
Or is Luxembourg also better than Britain according to you??
Just to make an example, Poels 4th place in Poland gives Holland 0 points because he is not with the best 5 riders.
The countless Frenchies that scored points in dauphine, tour etcetera, half of them score nothing because they are not with the best 5 french riders.
If you have 10 guys with 70 points, all you get is 5x70.
Its a weird ranking and totally wrong. But then again, UCI never does anything right
Of course its a stupid ranking, but its always funny when Britain ends up above Netherlands
It rewards a country having a top points scoring rider, as opposed to depth in points scoring. There is some merit in that, but the system is still a shambles - CQ is of course the better judge.
The season is not over yet. Netherlands will still end above them thanks to the after-season with races like ENECO Tour, followed by Quebec/Montreal (Gesink), Lombardy (Gesink again) and Vuelta (Kruijswijk)
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-08-2011 23:10
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Here and now is all that matters Netherlands are supposed to finish above the UK anyway, we've only just started getting good at this with more than 1 cyclist at a time!
Just wait though, Millar will win Eneco Tour (or at least be 2nd behind Gilbert), Gesink will crash out in Canada - injured for the rest of the season, and Cavendish will win enough sprints in the Vuelta. All of these things will definately happen.
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