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| Addy291 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:29
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we should send them to Sporting then 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:31
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Addy291 wrote:
we should send them to Sporting then
Considering the only version of the silent draft that i like at all is yours, that is not too likely!
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:34
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that's an idea, i could be the silent bidder manager guy (cool title)
i don't mind if people send their silent bids to me when the time comes, i'm happy to help
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:39
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Btw. I think it's really nice that we take Justin's vacation (?) in mind.
But... CrueTrue has only got time to be transfer-available in the weekend, and the transfer-break sort of ruins his transfer-possibilities. Then it's not much good that it takes Justin into account. A lot of people weren't able to post start lists in time, because they were on vacation too - I didn't participate in Gent-Wevel or Paris-Roubaix although my best rider is cobbles specialist a.s.o. because I was in Berlin.
I know this post might be unfair, as you've truly created a great game and it's impossible to respect all people's "off-line" time, but that's why I find it a bit weird that Justin gets this "special attention", although it's nice, and that time-zones are killing our transfer system.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:47
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well for one thing if you post all your startlists together at the start then you would participate in all the races whether you were away or not, Crue said he gave his to Crommy so either Crommy mislaid them or Crue forgot to hand them in.
main point is do them all so if your away you will still be in races
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| dave92 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 16:56
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i think we should continue as is for a while, but set a transfer deadline(10 days?), and remaining riders are put up for silent auction. It would be to hard to have a silent auction right now, people would have no clue how many riders to bid on. AThis would be absolute pandamonium, and even harder to budget and plan for. I also think the time should be 24, not 48 hours. Most everyone should be able to check once a day.
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:01
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But why not say:
From monday to thursday, there's a 24 hours limit.
From thursday to saturday, there's a 12 hours limit.
From saturday to monday, there's a 6 hours limit.
From monday to tuesday, there's a 3 hours limit.
Transfers end at tuesday, after eight days.
All limits are from the time of the bid, i.e. if you bid friday at 23.59 it will be 12 hours - even though it is 6 hours when bidded saturday 00.01...
You could make a light version of the decrease in hours as well... |
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| dave92 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:08
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beacuse people will put in bids that nobody else sees. For example I live in the US. If i bid at midnight, not many of you Euros would get on early enough to see the bid at 8 or 9 when it expires. IMO Anything less than 12 is too much.
Edit: Everyone should fill in their budget sheet to the 20th rider simply with a 30,000 in the contract column. Then if you sign/bid on another rider insert him and adjust the table accordingly. You can then see how far you are from your budget, assuming you sign guys uncontested.
Edited by dave92 on 23-08-2007 17:11
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| Setzel |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:10
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Corect when we put bids everybody must be at pcm or almost and an at decent hour i am totally agreeing even if i will loose one target like that or two but this is fair
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:11
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Yeah, you're right, I guess. But then let us make it 12 hours after some days? |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:11
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OK
- Justin gets special attention at the moment because he participated very heavily last season, and was a great supporter of the game - as well as telling me when he was on holiday, and asking if their was anything he should do
- The 48 hours is for exactly the reason dave has said - time differences
- There will be a deadline at some point, we just haven't decided it yet
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:13
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But 48 hours?
The deadline will be extremely interrupting, no matter when it will occur. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:39
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There are ways around it, which I think are already stated in the rules, if not, I'll post them later
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| Fonz |
Posted on 23-08-2007 17:58
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Could we not combine several concepts? How about we all list every rider we actually plan to bid for and an amount we roughly think we will pay. The rule would be that the total amount of all your bids cannot exceed your team budget.
Phase one would be that for all riders where only one bid only is made- that team gets the rider, and those results are made known before phase 2, which becomes an auction with rebidding.
But here is the kicker, nobody is allowed to increase their bid in phase 2 by more than 10 (or maybe 20?)% of their bid in phase one and nobody can bid on a rider they did not bid on in phase 1.
This would penalize teams who put in bogus bids on hundreds of riders because they would be locked into low dollar amounts in phase 2.
Edited by Fonz on 23-08-2007 18:13
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:29
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I think it's really hard to make that system work in reality.
And the fact that you can't make a low offer and then raise it a lot - you'd like to see how low you can go - is a fine thought, but it's a shame for those who are locked. It would force people to offer higher in their first bid than they'd really want. |
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| dave92 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:40
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I don't like Fonz's system, as it would still be quite hard. A compromise could be 36 hours, though i prefer 24. If you want to stay at 48 that's finethough Crommy because of all the work you have put in to make this game work.
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| zutcorp |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:45
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its very complicated.
you cant do a closed bid on all riders at once because it will be impossible to control how many you sign, and may even make it impossible to for a "legal" team (ie. you need at least 20, and I currently lack 4 riders. If I sign only 3 of my bids, im in trouble, as earlier demonstrated)
So I had an idea. A draft like transferperiod (work only for Free transfers, and is even fair)
You simply take the 17 pro tour teams, and make them bid for the perhaps 30 best riders available silently. Then give each team the one rider they have the highest bid in on. ( see example). Thats 17 tiders out of the way and placed in teams. The we go again with a new round and a lot of money spent. Every team again gets the rider they want the most (and bid the most for) in this round.
mini example
Three teams A, B and C
Riders are 1, 2, 3,
Bids:
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1:10k, 2: 8k, 3: 6k
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1: 12k 2: 4k 3: 2k
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1: 11k 3: 2k 3: 4k
Then in this draft B get tider 1 and pays 12, a get rider 2 and C get rider 3.
Perhaps then make the 3rd round for the CT teams, so they get a decent rider each too.
then the next round etc.
This will work alot like the draft in that noone get shafted. It will also ensure that everyone gets to sign a decent amount of good riders AND get their riders from a prioritized list.
Edited by zutcorp on 23-08-2007 20:46
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:50
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A draft like systemis not the way forward in my opinion. If you are in danger of not hacing 20, remember that there will be a draft of neo-pros after the transfers, and also you could just bid on a weak rider, that even CT teams wont want to spend loads on.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:52
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But Zutcorp's system would still avoid all this chaos we have experienced the past few days. Or well, I didn't really experience it since I have been away, but with 183 pages in the "New Posts"-screen it seems like chaos. |
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| dave92 |
Posted on 23-08-2007 20:56
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was the current system really that bad? I persinally had no trouble with it. Zutcorp's idea still take's away from the idea of a free market. Why should a Pro Tour team get to bid on a rider us Continental teams can't, even if we don't sign him. The only problem with the original system was that it was the first day, and bids were going quickly as prices rose.once bidding re-opens most prices won't start very low. For example in the case of Anton there were many bids because he started out well below market value. As the price gets higher less bidding occurs. Since most prices have already been escalated somewhat there should be less "chaos" then the 1st day. Plus, using the original method I have a theoretical shot at any combination of riders, which makes the game more fun. The idea of a draft from a list isn't as involved or, IMO fun.
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