Using a slightly modified phrase from a former president of a Spanish club, they have paid 10 millions for a striker and 25 millions for an Englishman. Ridiculous.
To the discussion with Andy Carroll, I just can say that all English (I am a big Liverpool Fan) Clubs are mad. They are just using money, they don't have.... When Madrid pays for example around 15€ for Özil and Andy Carroll costs 40€, that's unrealistic...
In Germany there is also one Club who uses money that they don't have. "Herne-West" as we, the Fans of the Borussia Dortmund call them... Felix Magath got mad when to the end of the Transferwindows.... Schalke bought Charisteas, Karimi and Annan. For me the only reasonable Transfer is Annan...They other two a crapy old players, who won't be a gain for the team...
Hopefully I am not too wrong with my statement and somebody of those two will score at Derby in Dortmund! Edited by redlion1987 on 31-01-2011 23:14
Using a slightly modified phrase from a former president of a Spanish club, they have paid 10 millions for a striker and 25 millions for an Englishman. Ridiculous.
Villa costed the same. Crazy.
But Carroll is.....uhh......
better at heading? Maybe?
OK, it's rock-effing-stupid.
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Using a slightly modified phrase from a former president of a Spanish club, they have paid 10 millions for a striker and 25 millions for an Englishman. Ridiculous.
Villa costed the same. Crazy.
But Carroll is.....uhh......
better at heading? Maybe?
OK, it's rock-effing-stupid.
He's 21 is the main piece of this. The idea is that if he keeps he head under control (a big if) he could be a top level striker for years to come. Granted Villa isn't pushing retirement either, but those extra few years can mean a lot. Besides, it was the ridiculous valuation of Darren Bent that pushed the Carroll deal this high, as he clearly is £10 million pounds better. I'm still laughing at how Spurs were able to get Pinnear for £3 million. He may not be a true striker or as good as the other two, but considering the price that was/is a steal.
Crommy wrote:
By my calculations, if Andy Carroll is worth £35million, that makes Lionel Messi worth warning: integer constant is too large for 'long' type
Just use bignum to convert it into a string, then use puts.
I'm a ruby guy btw, haven't used Java in a long time, and don't remember if bignum and puts are in that particular gem (used both sarcastically and as a pun) of a language.
Edited by Deadpool on 31-01-2011 23:29
Using a slightly modified phrase from a former president of a Spanish club, they have paid 10 millions for a striker and 25 millions for an Englishman. Ridiculous.
Villa costed the same. Crazy.
But Carroll is.....uhh......
better at heading? Maybe?
OK, it's rock-effing-stupid.
He's 21 is the main piece of this. The idea is that if he keeps he head under control (a big if) he could be a top level striker for years to come. Granted Villa isn't pushing retirement either, but those extra few years can mean a lot. Besides, it was the ridiculous valuation of Darren Bent that pushed the Carroll deal this high, as he clearly is £10 million pounds better. I'm still laughing at how Spurs were able to get Pinnear for £3 million. He may not be a true striker or as good as the other two, but considering the price that was/is a steal.
Crommy wrote:
By my calculations, if Andy Carroll is worth £35million, that makes Lionel Messi worth warning: integer constant is too large for 'long' type
Just use bignum to convert it into a string, then use puts.
I'm a ruby guy btw, haven't used Java in a long time, and don't remember if bignum and puts are in that particular gem (used both sarcastically and as a pun) of a language.
Or just use a language like Haskell. Anyway, that was a C error. And anyway, for your consideration:
I firmly agree. I plan on tackling Perl this summer, and my ultimate goal is to get functional with LISP.
There are your fathers parentheses...
As for the whole C thing, I wrote a 3D shooter with a buddy a while ago in C++ with OpenGL graphics, but once again it has been a long time since I've dealt with the language at all. I'm presently writing an RSA encrypter in Ruby, which considering I can't get the bloody Sieve of dead greek guy working isn't going very well.
Deadpool wrote:
I firmly agree. I plan on tackling Perl this summer, and my ultimate goal is to get functional with LISP.
There are your fathers parentheses...
As for the whole C thing, I wrote a 3D shooter with a buddy a while ago in C++ with OpenGL graphics, but once again it has been a long time since I've dealt with the language at all. I'm presently writing an RSA encrypter in Ruby, which considering I can't get the bloody Sieve of dead greek guy working isn't going very well.
Well as a Liverpool fan, Im delighted Fernando Torres has gone, I do feel hurt by his actions and the way he has treated Kenny Dalglish and the club and its fans, no respect at all, never gave Kenny a chance, nor has he paid the fans back to the loyalty and faith shown in him in the past 2 tough years.
But Suarez and Carroll, gonna be a good partnership and could be mores successful than Torres and a big advantage is there stil farely young. Liverpool have done very well in the transfer market.
Ste117 wrote:
Well as a Liverpool fan, Im delighted Fernando Torres has gone, I do feel hurt by his actions and the way he has treated Kenny Dalglish and the club and its fans, no respect at all, never gave Kenny a chance, nor has he paid the fans back to the loyalty and faith shown in him in the past 2 tough years.
But Suarez and Carroll, gonna be a good partnership and could be mores successful than Torres and a big advantage is there stil farely young. Liverpool have done very well in the transfer market.
Getting rid of one of the best strikers in the world, and replacing him with...well, Andy Carroll for £35million? Liverpool have done terribly in the transfer market.
Edited by Crommy on 01-02-2011 01:21
Ste117 wrote:
Well as a Liverpool fan, Im delighted Fernando Torres has gone, I do feel hurt by his actions and the way he has treated Kenny Dalglish and the club and its fans, no respect at all, never gave Kenny a chance, nor has he paid the fans back to the loyalty and faith shown in him in the past 2 tough years.
But Suarez and Carroll, gonna be a good partnership and could be mores successful than Torres and a big advantage is there stil farely young. Liverpool have done very well in the transfer market.
Getting rid of one of the best strikers in the world, and replacing him with...well, Andy Carroll for £35million? Liverpool have done terribly in the transfer market.
I firmly disagree considering Torres has played like shit (WC included) since about midway through last year, and I don't think you can blame injury for all of it. I think he will never get back to his 07-08 form. I have no problems with them ditching Torres for £50 million worth of players and cash. That said, I think they overpaid for both Carroll and Suarez, but they needed a striker were they to get rid of Torres, and I figure they said why not go for both.
Also, why did Chelsea just spend £75 million on Luiz and Torres? Luiz is maybe, maybe, worth £25 million or whatever they paid for him, while Torres A) isn't worth nearly £50 million and B) is the sort of player who plays best when he is the alpha-dog on the front line, which he clearly won't be with Drogba. Not to mention that Anelka will throw fits as he will get significantly less playing time, and will probably force, for the umpteenth time in his career, some move that gets his team (i.e. Chelsea) pennies on the dollar for him...
Edited by Deadpool on 01-02-2011 02:11
Ste117 wrote:
Well as a Liverpool fan, Im delighted Fernando Torres has gone, I do feel hurt by his actions and the way he has treated Kenny Dalglish and the club and its fans, no respect at all, never gave Kenny a chance, nor has he paid the fans back to the loyalty and faith shown in him in the past 2 tough years.
But Suarez and Carroll, gonna be a good partnership and could be mores successful than Torres and a big advantage is there stil farely young. Liverpool have done very well in the transfer market.
Getting rid of one of the best strikers in the world, and replacing him with...well, Andy Carroll for £35million? Liverpool have done terribly in the transfer market.
I firmly disagree considering Torres has played like shit (WC included) since about midway through last year, and I don't think you can blame injury for all of it. I have no problems with them ditching Torres for £50 million worth of players and cash. That said, I think they overpaid for both Carroll and Suarez, but they needed a striker were they to get rid of Torres, and I figure they said why not go for both.
If you watch him play for Liverpool, then a lot of his poor form can be explained away by the absolute rubbish he has to play with. He still is one of the best finishers in the game, and he gets into the right positions - just a shame he lacks the team mates to exploit that
Ste117 wrote:
Well as a Liverpool fan, Im delighted Fernando Torres has gone, I do feel hurt by his actions and the way he has treated Kenny Dalglish and the club and its fans, no respect at all, never gave Kenny a chance, nor has he paid the fans back to the loyalty and faith shown in him in the past 2 tough years.
But Suarez and Carroll, gonna be a good partnership and could be mores successful than Torres and a big advantage is there stil farely young. Liverpool have done very well in the transfer market.
Getting rid of one of the best strikers in the world, and replacing him with...well, Andy Carroll for £35million? Liverpool have done terribly in the transfer market.
I firmly disagree considering Torres has played like shit (WC included) since about midway through last year, and I don't think you can blame injury for all of it. I have no problems with them ditching Torres for £50 million worth of players and cash. That said, I think they overpaid for both Carroll and Suarez, but they needed a striker were they to get rid of Torres, and I figure they said why not go for both.
If you watch him play for Liverpool, then a lot of his poor form can be explained away by the absolute rubbish he has to play with. He still is one of the best finishers in the game, and he gets into the right positions - just a shame he lacks the team mates to exploit that
So he's a slightly better Jermaine Defore? Capable of putting the ball in the net if you give him the ball in prime position? For £50 million, you better be getting a lot more than that.
Deadpool wrote:
So he's a slightly better Jermaine Defore? Capable of putting the ball in the net if you give him the ball in prime position? For £50 million, you better be getting a lot more than that.
By prime position, I mean not only where he's got a good shot on goal, but where the pass to him should be simple - and simple passing seems beyond Liverpool at the moment
Also: he's a lot better than Jermaine Defoe. That is patently obviously
Edited by Crommy on 01-02-2011 02:17
Deadpool wrote:
So he's a slightly better Jermaine Defore? Capable of putting the ball in the net if you give him the ball in prime position? For £50 million, you better be getting a lot more than that.
By prime position, I mean not only where he's got a good shot on goal, but where the pass to him should be simple - and simple passing seems beyond Liverpool at the moment
I'm not debating that. I just think he doesn't have the drive you need to be a successful striker at any other pursuit than putting shots on goal. At Chelsea, with the way they tend to move the ball around in the attacking area, with Lampard, Drogba, Malouda, and Anelka, he isn't going to be able to just stand around and get the ball fed to him. You can argue the lack of that drive and effort comes from the situation at Liverpool, but I think the WC is the perfect counter to that. He was the first choice striker, over £35 million man Villa heading in, and by the end of the cup was behind not only Villa but also Pedro because he clearly was not up to playing with a free-flowing offense that requires movement and effort both on and off the ball, i.e. what Chelsea plays like. Anyway, run-on sentence over, point made.
Crommy wrote:
Hang on, my point was Liverpool had done a terrible deal. Your point is he'll be bad for Chelsea.
I don't disagree with that. Nor do I agree
Why is ditching him for £50 million a terrible deal? If your comments on Liverpool is about the Carroll and Suarez deals, I would point out A) they have the money, as combined the deals come in only fifteen million or so above the cash part of the Torres deal, B) They have to get a striker to replace him, so why not two? and C) Because of the Bent sale every striker was going to get overvalued by £5-10 million because their agent could just comment on how they are clearly better than Bent (which Carroll and Suarez clearly are).
Crommy wrote:
Hang on, my point was Liverpool had done a terrible deal. Your point is he'll be bad for Chelsea.
I don't disagree with that. Nor do I agree
Why is ditching him for £50 million a terrible deal? If your comments on Liverpool is about the Carroll and Suarez deals, I would point out A) they have the money, as combined the deals come in only fifteen million or so above the cash part of the Torres deal, B) They have to get a striker to replace him, so why not two? and C) Because of the Bent sale every striker was going to get overvalued by £5-10 million because their agent could just comment on how they are clearly better than Bent (which Carroll and Suarez clearly are).
My point is that signing Carroll as a replacement for Torres is a massive step backwards, irregardless of the money spent (although £35million does seem to make it worse). Carroll simply isn't anywhere near Torres.
I can't comment on Suarez, I've never really seen him play. If he turns out to be as good or nearly as good as Torres, then I'll happily admit it was a good piece of business.
Crommy wrote:
Hang on, my point was Liverpool had done a terrible deal. Your point is he'll be bad for Chelsea.
I don't disagree with that. Nor do I agree
Why is ditching him for £50 million a terrible deal? If your comments on Liverpool is about the Carroll and Suarez deals, I would point out A) they have the money, as combined the deals come in only fifteen million or so above the cash part of the Torres deal, B) They have to get a striker to replace him, so why not two? and C) Because of the Bent sale every striker was going to get overvalued by £5-10 million because their agent could just comment on how they are clearly better than Bent (which Carroll and Suarez clearly are).
My point is that signing Carroll as a replacement for Torres is a massive step backwards, irregardless of the money spent (although £35million does seem to make it worse). Carroll simply isn't anywhere near Torres.
I can't comment on Suarez, I've never really seen him play. If he turns out to be as good or nearly as good as Torres, then I'll happily admit it was a good piece of business.
I disagree on the Carroll being a huge step back. Is he a step back (specifically as a headcase)? yeah. Dramatically so? I don't think so. He is 21, has little experience on this top level, and has shown himself to be a really classy player. I'm not arguing £35 million is more than just a smidgen high, but they could have done worse (Bent for £24 million for instance). The Suarez deal I think is worse, as I don't see him working out in England, but that is just my opinion.
Edited by Deadpool on 01-02-2011 02:36
I have to agree with Deadpool. £50m is a huge amount for Torres and while it's a highly risky bit of business, Liverpool have essentially bought two good strikers for £8m. I can't say I'm delighted to see Carroll in a Liverpool shirt, but I can't deny that he is a good player with a bright future, as long he behaves himself...unlikely actually.
Sure, Carroll is hugely overpriced, but selling Torres for £50m? For a player who hasn't been at his best for some time that's pretty handy. Thanks for that Chelsea.
