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Ideas for 2012
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| Heine |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:27
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Bravo for not "power-playing" and becuse I felt it fit when I got to Tinkoff first, and then just kept doing it with everyone else with all riders under avg 76 ;-) Not saying it's the right or best way to play, just that I like to see poeple who does it. And I have to admit, I will prolly not be able to do it myself ever. (even though my inactivness pretty much forced me to it during the last transfer window)
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| Kami |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:29
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Heine, look in the first post of this topic. There i explained why i got Ricco in the first place. And you want to know why i got Goss and Kirchen on such low wages? Because they were transfers. If i had to buy them as free agents, you could easily do their wage x2. And because of that transfer fee (which wasn't even so much actually) i couldn't do anymore transfers except for free agents.
And i'm pretty happy with my team actually. And if i ever manage to promote to PT, i already got a big star in Ricco.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:31
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fenian_1234 wrote:
How about re-training as an idea?
Along the lines of someone like Boonen or Hushovd or even, Wiggins, irl? They loose a bit from one stat and gain in another?
Riders get updated stats if they become free agents. You're quite within your rights to request a re-addressing on a riders stats, if you're willing to free them, and then bid on them as you would a normal FA. Otherwise, this game is not like real life.
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:33
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"Trying to raise the price up of a rider who is already being bidded on, by recommending the rider to others, is not fine."
Agreed, and I got that in capitals, so that's a no go in the future of course...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:34
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Kami wrote:
Heine, look in the first post of this topic. There i explained why i got Ricco in the first place. And you want to know why i got Goss and Kirchen on such low wages? Because they were transfers. If i had to buy them as free agents, you could easily do their wage x2. And because of that transfer fee (which wasn't even so much actually) i couldn't do anymore transfers except for free agents.
And i'm pretty happy with my team actually. And if i ever manage to promote to PT, i already got a big star in Ricco.
That is, should you be able to afford to keep Ricco. You do know his wage will go up even more next season? And that you won't be able to afford such a rounded team that may get promoted? But then again, Ikea has a very strong side for cheap(ish), so it's possible I guess. Just don't complain when wages go sky high 
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:35
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If you'd like, I'd be willing to write a program that would update all riders stats, even those that aren't FA's. If SN and rjc want to tell me exactly how riders get there stats updated, I could write something that would mass update from a text file or something.
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| Heine |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:36
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Kami: I'm not questioning why and how you got Ricco, it's more that I put out an idea for how to keep / get the best riders in the Pro Tour and then defends why I think it. Ricco is just the best and easiest example.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:37
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Rider Stats and retraining
Not something I'm planning on doing - Steegmans out the door at the season end - but in his case would be interesting to take say 4 points off his sprint stat and add 2 to his cobble.
By the same token, you could have a puncheur who loses a bit of weight and gets better at climbing. Say two off the hill stat and one on the mountain.
Just an idea to let some tweak their squads a little more.
Rules could control it strictly enough stop people taking advantage of it.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:41
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Rider Stats and retraining
Not something I'm planning on doing - Steegmans out the door at the season end - but in his case would be interesting to take say 4 points off his sprint stat and add 2 to his cobble.
By the same token, you could have a puncheur who loses a bit of weight and gets better at climbing. Say two off the hill stat and one on the mountain.
Just an idea to let some tweak their squads a little more.
Rules could control it strictly enough stop people taking advantage of it.
Well, I don't even see the problem (so much) of taking off 4 sprint, and adding on 4 cobbles. There's a limited use to sprint, and cobble. It's when someone takes off 10 Downhill, and adds 10 to mountain, that'd be unfair. But if you were to implement something like that, I would have to say changing more than one stat point per season would be a bit odd (gradual training and all that), and to add it to sprinting/take it away wouldn't do either due to the extra added recovery from gaining 75sprint/76sprint.
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:41
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I'm against tweaking.
Of course riders on FA can be tweaked, because it doesn't harm anyone, but they MUST be FA's, otherwise it's a bad direction to go in. We don't want possibilities and rules for everything imo. The simple is almost always the best.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:42
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Deadpool wrote:
If you'd like, I'd be willing to write a program that would update all riders stats, even those that aren't FA's. If SN and rjc want to tell me exactly how riders get there stats updated, I could write something that would mass update from a text file or something.
That would allow riders who aren't FA's to have updated stats.
Interesting - but wouldnt that be very hard to program?
- 12 stats within the game
- 8 categories of choice for style of update
- Different table within them for 1>2, 2>3/4>Max and 3>4
- Those tables covering for all potentials 1-7
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:42
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"Well, I don't even see the problem (so much) of taking off 4 sprint, and adding on 4 cobbles. There's a limited use to sprint, and cobble. It's when someone takes off 10 Downhill, and adds 10 to mountain, that'd be unfair. But if you were to implement something like that, I would have to say changing more than one stat point per season would be a bit odd (gradual training and all that), and to add it to sprinting/take it away wouldn't do either due to the extra added recovery from gaining 75sprint/76sprint."
So when I take 5 sprint from Nolf and add them to his cobble, and then remove 10 mountain stats to add them to his hilly it wouldn't be problematic?
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:43
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Again, more than happy to automate a system that would allow inputs. Possibly, make the stat that gets hurt (and the amount it gets hurt) random, so possibly you could have unintended consequences. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:43
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Nevermind. Didn't read it well enough I see. Nevertheless I'm against it...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:43
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Deadpool wrote:
If you'd like, I'd be willing to write a program that would update all riders stats, even those that aren't FA's. If SN and rjc want to tell me exactly how riders get there stats updated, I could write something that would mass update from a text file or something.
That would allow riders who aren't FA's to have updated stats.
Riders who aren't FAs don't get stat updates. Riders who are FAs get manual, by hand, stat updates to reflect a bit of real life.
If I bought a maxed rider who had 72 hill, 70 flat, and was a jolly good domestique at 50k, and then he got a stat update I didn't want and his wage went too high, I'd be as miffed at that as I would not getting him updated when I wanted to, but it's part of the game. Gotta learn the rules, know when to take advantage, what to train, what to splash cash on, etc.
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| Kami |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:44
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Rjc: If i look at riders from last season, who are likely to have gotten better results that Ricco will get this season (depending on the hilly calssics), I do think Ricco's wage is going to be at least the same. He's already at 890.000€
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:45
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SotD wrote:
Nevermind. Didn't read it well enough I see. Nevertheless I'm against it...
Haha, I was going to say, 1 stat per year was my general consensus. If that.
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Posted on 28-11-2010 15:47
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Kami wrote:
Rjc: If i look at riders from last season, who are likely to have gotten better results that Ricco will get this season (depending on the hilly calssics), I do think Ricco's wage is going to be at least the same. He's already at 890.000€
Oh there's a whole HOST of things that change a riders wage. Not just results.
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| Kami |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:51
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rjc_43 wrote:
Kami wrote:
Rjc: If i look at riders from last season, who are likely to have gotten better results that Ricco will get this season (depending on the hilly calssics), I do think Ricco's wage is going to be at least the same. He's already at 890.000€
Oh there's a whole HOST of things that change a riders wage. Not just results.
Could i ask what other things?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:56
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Kami wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Kami wrote:
Rjc: If i look at riders from last season, who are likely to have gotten better results that Ricco will get this season (depending on the hilly calssics), I do think Ricco's wage is going to be at least the same. He's already at 890.000€
Oh there's a whole HOST of things that change a riders wage. Not just results.
Could i ask what other things?
The rider's stats, his performance in the season, his wage you currently pay him, which division he rides in, how well you negotiate with him, and theres a few other calculations done aswell - plus some random numbers do have a small influence.
The Wages excel topic, covering all aspects of the renewals phase, goes from Column A all the way up to Column BM
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