mb2612 wrote:
Which Sanchez do you mean, I think it was Luis but can't remember.
Yup
mb2612 wrote:
Also do you know which two will be suspended?
No idea. The guy just said Contador is not one of the seven.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Dude, ease up. What's your beef about the TOC? Perfectly normal for people to (over)promote their race. I don't see why you have to get bent out of shape.
Over-promoting? Annoying but normal.
This isn't overpromotion. This is retarded-strength public relations. Some parts, like the 20 teams thing, aren't explicitly said, but they're quite explicitly implied, so they're still blatant lies.
The main problem is they seem to have no respect for the current structure of cycling. It's one thing to want to be a part of it, it's another to promote themselves by trying to pass themselves off as superior to many other established races.
If you surf different communities around the web, it quickly becomes apparent that no matter where people are from, most seem to have little respect for the ToC due to this behaviour.
Edited by issoisso on 07-10-2010 19:55
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Despite the recent news, Soler said that Spain is not above average in terms of doping positives. "The figures say that Spain is about average in positive doping cases in the world. According to the anti-doping laboratory in Madrid, in 2009 the percentage was 1.2 Spanish adverse findings, while WADA's worldwide average was 1.11, so we are just 0.09 are above this, " he said.
I must say, unless my mathematical skills have decreased significantly within the last 2 minutes, that 1.2 is, indeed, above 1.11. Therefore, sunny jim, you are, in fact, above average in doping levels.
Despite the recent news, Soler said that Spain is not above average in terms of doping positives. "The figures say that Spain is about average in positive doping cases in the world. According to the anti-doping laboratory in Madrid, in 2009 the percentage was 1.2 Spanish adverse findings, while WADA's worldwide average was 1.11, so we are just 0.09 are above this, " he said.
I must say, unless my mathematical skills have decreased significantly within the last 2 minutes, that 1.2 is, indeed, above 1.11. Therefore, sunny jim, you are, in fact, above average in doping levels.
Haha lol, we're not above average, because we're only 0.09 above average
Despite the recent news, Soler said that Spain is not above average in terms of doping positives. "The figures say that Spain is about average in positive doping cases in the world. According to the anti-doping laboratory in Madrid, in 2009 the percentage was 1.2 Spanish adverse findings, while WADA's worldwide average was 1.11, so we are just 0.09 are above this, " he said.
I must say, unless my mathematical skills have decreased significantly within the last 2 minutes, that 1.2 is, indeed, above 1.11. Therefore, sunny jim, you are, in fact, above average in doping levels.
Haha lol, we're not above average, because we're only 0.09 above average
Ehm... You are saying you are not above average but you are 0.09 above average? How are you then not above average?
And actually it's 8,1% over average, which is nearly 1/10.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Dude, ease up. What's your beef about the TOC? Perfectly normal for people to (over)promote their race. I don't see why you have to get bent out of shape.
Over-promoting? Annoying but normal.
This isn't overpromotion. This is retarded-strength public relations. Some parts, like the 20 teams thing, aren't explicitly said, but they're quite explicitly implied, so they're still blatant lies.
The main problem is they seem to have no respect for the current structure of cycling. It's one thing to want to be a part of it, it's another to promote themselves by trying to pass themselves off as superior to many other established races.
If you surf different communities around the web, it quickly becomes apparent that no matter where people are from, most seem to have little respect for the ToC due to this behaviour.
Bingo.
ABTF - You might have a point if this was the first example of such self-promotion from the ToC. But its not, they do it all the time.
mb2612 wrote:
Also do you know which two will be suspended?
No idea. The guy just said Contador is not one of the seven.
Dapena and Fullana, unless the latter has already received her definitive ban, which I think she hasn't.
The way the guy phrased it, that's possible, but it REALLY reads like bio passport victims
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He says "two riders about to get a sanction, and five riders under suspicion for abnormal hematologic values". Don't really reads as bio passport victims in my eyes (the two about to be banned, obviously).
There's this guy on the cyclingnews forums who, around christmas last year, said Landis was talking to people about telling the truth and that Landis had taken notes over the years that he could use to support his case. Later, he said the feds were investigating. Then that Betsy Andreu had turned over the tapes she'd been talking about last year or so. Then he said Hincapie and Zabriskie had been called to testify.
Everything he said, turned out to be true and was made public either months or weeks later.
Now he's saying Hincapie, Lim and Livingston all confessed to the feds.
Don't take this as a reliable source, of course, but this is very interesting.
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Scott will be the bike sponsor of the Australian Pegasus team.
Also, they will no longer sponsor Team HTC.
Although it's not confirmed yet, Specialized is very likely to take over from Scott, according to sources within the team.
kumazan wrote:
He says "two riders about to get a sanction, and five riders under suspicion for abnormal hematologic values". Don't really reads as bio passport victims in my eyes (the two about to be banned, obviously).
What I really don´t understand is UCI´s way of acting.
If you want to give the image of a clean sport, don´t say there 5 suspicios...bla bla bla.
Don´t say nothing and at the end of the investigation you say 3 riders are punished for dopping. This way you will not have all the new saying the same things as always about dopping in cycling.
Also I do not understand how can a test take around 2 months to be verify....
I think the last time they said there were "five suspicious cyclists with values" five cyclists were sanctioned. So, if they say it, expect it to come out sooner or later (who those five are, that is).
Despite the recent news, Soler said that Spain is not above average in terms of doping positives. "The figures say that Spain is about average in positive doping cases in the world. According to the anti-doping laboratory in Madrid, in 2009 the percentage was 1.2 Spanish adverse findings, while WADA's worldwide average was 1.11, so we are just 0.09 are above this, " he said.
I must say, unless my mathematical skills have decreased significantly within the last 2 minutes, that 1.2 is, indeed, above 1.11. Therefore, sunny jim, you are, in fact, above average in doping levels.
Haha lol, we're not above average, because we're only 0.09 above average
Ehm... You are saying you are not above average but you are 0.09 above average? How are you then not above average?
And actually it's 8,1% over average, which is nearly 1/10.
Off topic:
There is an urban myth that spawned a couple years ago, when there was a protest of educational workers in Serbia. The union received two offers from the secretary of education, one with a 1.14 and other with a 1.2 ( (14% and 20%, just to be clear) increase of the salary coefficient, aside to the benefits. The union, according to the myth, opted for the 1.14 plan because, of course, 14 is more than 2.
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord will delete my browser history.
kumazan wrote:
He says "two riders about to get a sanction, and five riders under suspicion for abnormal hematologic values". Don't really reads as bio passport victims in my eyes (the two about to be banned, obviously).
What I really don´t understand is UCI´s way of acting.
If you want to give the image of a clean sport, don´t say there 5 suspicios...bla bla bla.
Don´t say nothing and at the end of the investigation you say 3 riders are punished for dopping. This way you will not have all the new saying the same things as always about dopping in cycling.
Also I do not understand how can a test take around 2 months to be verify....
It was the CSD that leaked that info actually. It sounds like a response to that words of McQuaid about Spain having a problem with doping.
mb2612 wrote:
Which Sanchez do you mean, I think it was Luis but can't remember.
Yup
mb2612 wrote:
Also do you know which two will be suspended?
No idea. The guy just said Contador is not one of the seven.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Dude, ease up. What's your beef about the TOC? Perfectly normal for people to (over)promote their race. I don't see why you have to get bent out of shape.
Over-promoting? Annoying but normal.
This isn't overpromotion. This is retarded-strength public relations. Some parts, like the 20 teams thing, aren't explicitly said, but they're quite explicitly implied, so they're still blatant lies.
The main problem is they seem to have no respect for the current structure of cycling. It's one thing to want to be a part of it, it's another to promote themselves by trying to pass themselves off as superior to many other established races.
If you surf different communities around the web, it quickly becomes apparent that no matter where people are from, most seem to have little respect for the ToC due to this behaviour.
I see your point and partly agree. But what if they are correct in their assertion that the TOC is better prep for the Tour than the Giro is. The TOC is now in competition with the Giro. I don't know if I can blame them for wanting to get the best riders.
Can you expand on the issue of "current structure of cycling"? Are you referring to scheduling?
Another note, as the USA increases their presence in cycling as part of the UCI's plan of globalizing the sport, we can expect a lot more changes to the current structure of cycling. Like it or not I see it happening more and more. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing. They are doing it to increase revenue and the USA is a gold mine for this.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
I see your point and partly agree. But what if they are correct in their assertion that the TOC is better prep for the Tour than the Giro is. The TOC is now in competition with the Giro. I don't know if I can blame them for wanting to get the best riders.
Can't blame them, sure. As for which is better prep, who knows. Some teams have had amazing success using the Giro, while others have failed miserably.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Can you expand on the issue of "current structure of cycling"? Are you referring to scheduling?
No, the current relative importance of the races and the place each has in the lore of cycling. Their comments tend to be disrespectful to any race that isn't the Tour.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Another note, as the USA increases their presence in cycling as part of the UCI's plan of globalizing the sport, we can expect a lot more changes to the current structure of cycling. Like it or not I see it happening more and more. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing. They are doing it to increase revenue and the USA is a gold mine for this.
I don't really care what races rise or fall or where they are, with few exceptions. Most races, if they disappear, others will take their place. There are very few races that guarantee awesome racing every year. Those would be the exceptions.
I have no issue with the places for races shifting. The only issue I have with this race is the organizers' attitude. It's one thing to want to turn your race into one of the best....it's another to pretend like you're superior and downplay all other races (Tour excepted).
Like the ENECO Tour organizers were doing years ago, before they wised up and piped down.
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Also, keep in mind that the TOC is in partnership with ASO. I would have to think that they have the blessing of ASO in the things they say and do.
The TOC is a young pup. Maybe they are brash and full of piss and vinegar. They will get better as they mature but I see your point about upsetting people.
It`s called HTC-Highroad so far.
Also they have contact with some sponsors. Especially Specialized seems to be more and more probably to become one sponsor.
