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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-09-2010 09:40
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To pseudo-quote issoisso: You cant base a rider's TT ability on the last TT of a GT. Its always more about who's got some energy left as opposed to skill.
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 23-09-2010 10:43
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Waghlon wrote:
To pseudo-quote issoisso: You cant base a rider's TT ability on the last TT of a GT. Its always more about who's got some energy left as opposed to skill.
Ok then fair point, 2010 Vuelta a Murcia 4th stage - Menchov finished the 22km TT in 2nd place at +33 seconds, with Wiggins in 3rd place at +48 seconds. That seems closer than a 4 point separation of stats to me 
EDIT - Wiggins also came home 35 seconds faster than Dave Zabriskie, who has 80 TT in the DB.
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| jimmyqgr |
Posted on 23-09-2010 11:13
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lol wiggens is uber sadly in db he became too tt 79/80 now
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-09-2010 15:23
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facmanpob wrote:
EDIT - Wiggins also came home 35 seconds faster than Dave Zabriskie, who has 80 TT in the DB.
Lance "Old" Armstrong came home a bit quicker than Zabriskie. Does that mean he should get a stat boost as well?
As for Menchov v Wiggins, you have to keep the age old saying in mind: Every dog has its day. That and Menchov's occasional inconsistency.
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 23-09-2010 15:49
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Waghlon wrote:
facmanpob wrote:
EDIT - Wiggins also came home 35 seconds faster than Dave Zabriskie, who has 80 TT in the DB.
Lance "Old" Armstrong came home a bit quicker than Zabriskie. Does that mean he should get a stat boost as well?
As for Menchov v Wiggins, you have to keep the age old saying in mind: Every dog has its day. That and Menchov's occasional inconsistency.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 23-09-2010 15:54
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facmanpob wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
facmanpob wrote:
EDIT - Wiggins also came home 35 seconds faster than Dave Zabriskie, who has 80 TT in the DB.
Lance "Old" Armstrong came home a bit quicker than Zabriskie. Does that mean he should get a stat boost as well?
As for Menchov v Wiggins, you have to keep the age old saying in mind: Every dog has its day. That and Menchov's occasional inconsistency.
So exactly how do you determine relative stats if you can't compare results?
Ok, tell me who you think the 80 plus Time Trialists should be. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-09-2010 16:09
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facmanpob wrote:
So exactly how do you determine relative stats if you can't compare results?
Im not saying that. Im just saying you cant compare them in February and March and in the last week of a GT.
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 23-09-2010 16:19
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jph27 wrote:Ok, tell me who you think the 80 plus Time Trialists should be.
In no particular order
Cancellara
Martin
Menchov
Larsson
Wiggins
Leipheimer
Zabriskie
Contador
imho
Edited by facmanpob on 23-09-2010 16:23
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 23-09-2010 16:21
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Waghlon wrote:
facmanpob wrote:
So exactly how do you determine relative stats if you can't compare results?
Im not saying that. Im just saying you cant compare them in February and March and in the last week of a GT.
I don't want to sound like I'm flogging a dead horse, but when can you compare results, if the 2 people in question only raced against each other in a time trial (not a prologue) in February or March or in the last week of a GT? |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-09-2010 16:22
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Then you cant really compare them to be honest.
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| christopher s |
Posted on 03-10-2010 17:06
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Hushovds stats should be around this;
FL80
MO67
HIL75
TT72
PRL80
SP79
ACC78
STA80
REC79
RES74
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 03-10-2010 17:26
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And here the fights go again...
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| jumbobogen |
Posted on 03-10-2010 18:13
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when can we download it ?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-10-2010 18:33
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christopher s wrote:
Hushovds stats should be around this;
FL80
MO67
HIL75
TT72
PRL80
SP79
ACC78
STA80
REC79
RES74
COB81
FTR73
*sigh*
Make your own DB instead.
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:29
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i'm getting quite pissed by al those (probably) norwegians that think that hushovd should be better. |
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| janne_837 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:54
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facmanpob wrote:
jph27 wrote:Ok, tell me who you think the 80 plus Time Trialists should be.
In no particular order
Cancellara
Martin
Menchov
Larsson
Wiggins
Leipheimer
Zabriskie
Contador
imho
What's with David Millar? 2 3rd places in the TDF should be a 80. |
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 04-10-2010 17:12
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Millar is not better than 79 imo |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 20:04
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sam1196 wrote:
i'm getting quite pissed by all those (probably) norwegians that think that hushovd should be better.
I agree 100% of what you said.
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| itsmichael |
Posted on 04-10-2010 20:07
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
i'm getting quite pissed by all those (probably) norwegians that think that hushovd should be better.
I agree 100% of what you said.
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| hhh2 |
Posted on 21-12-2010 16:21
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hushovd is fine where he is with his original stats
he should not be overrated just because he won WC |
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