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| Likkivi |
Posted on 07-07-2010 15:12
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Alex Rasmussen is not a better sprinter than Breschel. The team just don't ride for Breschel in any race he is in. They do that for Rasmussen. Breschel won the final stage in Vuelta Espana and that is much more class than winning in 4 jours de D.
Edited by Likkivi on 07-07-2010 15:23
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| Kompakt |
Posted on 07-07-2010 15:49
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Just because it's a GT doesn't make it a strong field as all the great sprinters had left the race to prepare for the worlds. Here are the riders Breschel beat in that sprint:
Usov
Vigano
Fernandez
Van Avermaet
Santambrogio
Lang
Hinault
Mondory
Florencio
Alex has in his victories in Dunkerque beaten sprinters like Ciolek, Napolitano, Roja Gil, Van Avermaet, Seb. Chavanel, Fernandez, Dehaes etc.
I can almost guarantee that Saxo Bank would set up the sprint for Alex instead of Breschel unless Breschel is in need for the bonus seconds like in last yeas Post Danmark Rundt.
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| Wouterd |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:09
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Bookwalter from BMC certainly deserves a higher prologue stat, as he got the 2nd or 3rd best time in the giro's prologue and was in the top 10 afaik in the TdF prologue |
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| Nota |
Posted on 07-07-2010 23:28
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Laszlo Bodrogi's stats in the DB:
FL 74
MO 59
HIL 62
TT 74
PRL 73
COB 68
SP 62
ACC 75
DH 61
FTR 68
STA 66
RES 72
REC 64
In my opinion these would be much better:
FL 75
MO 64
HIL 65
TT 75
PRL 71
COB 67
SP 64
ACC 70
DH 65
FTR 60
STA 69
RES 66
REC 67
He was the only professional Hungarian cyclist not soo long ago and I'm looking all of his results for years. He was a very good time trialist with poor MO and HIL stats, but he developed to an average guy who can TT well. He can ride a good 3 week race but his personality is not so good and not too much of his teammates and bosses likes him. This is why you can't often see him in the big races.
I think he is in normal shape now at the Tour of Austria and not at his highest. Please take a look at the results! Stage 2 and Stage 4 was mountain stages and Ricco was the winner of both stages. Now Bodrogi sits in 41st position in the GC near Louder, CLewis, Cioni, DMalacarne. They are all much better climbers in the database.
Edited by Nota on 07-07-2010 23:30
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| Tooom3k |
Posted on 08-07-2010 10:36
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In my opinion:
A. Schleck: cobble 52 -> 57
A. Contador: cobble 50 -> 55, prologue 83 -> 81
T. Martin: prologue 81 -> 82
I. Basso: endurance 73 ->76
S. Szmyd: mountain 76 -> 78
T. Hushovd: cobble 81 -> 82, sprint 80 -> 81
T. Boonen: cobble 83 -> 82
F. Pozzato: cobble 82 -> 81
Edited by Tooom3k on 08-07-2010 10:37
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 11:22
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Tooom3k wrote:
In my opinion:
A. Schleck: cobble 52 -> 57
A. Contador: cobble 50 -> 55, prologue 83 -> 81
T. Martin: prologue 81 -> 82
I. Basso: endurance 73 ->76
S. Szmyd: mountain 76 -> 78
T. Hushovd: cobble 81 -> 82, sprint 80 -> 81
T. Boonen: cobble 83 -> 82
F. Pozzato: cobble 82 -> 81
Why should Boonen get lower COB stats? He was the only one close in Ronde van Vlaanderen and he was also the only one who did any proper work in Paris - Roubaix. |
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| Tooom3k |
Posted on 08-07-2010 11:31
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ponka00 wrote:
Tooom3k wrote:
In my opinion:
A. Schleck: cobble 52 -> 57
A. Contador: cobble 50 -> 55, prologue 83 -> 81
T. Martin: prologue 81 -> 82
I. Basso: endurance 73 ->76
S. Szmyd: mountain 76 -> 78
T. Hushovd: cobble 81 -> 82, sprint 80 -> 81
T. Boonen: cobble 83 -> 82
F. Pozzato: cobble 82 -> 81
Why should Boonen get lower COB stats? He was the only one close in Ronde van Vlaanderen and he was also the only one who did any proper work in Paris - Roubaix.
Because with 83 he leaves behind Hushovd and Flecha in Paris - Roubaix. And I forgot to give him hill 73 -> 76.
One more C. Evans: TT 79 -> 77 he isn't so good and with 79 he wins Australian TT with 1 minute over Rogers. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 11:38
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Tooom3k wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
Tooom3k wrote:
In my opinion:
A. Schleck: cobble 52 -> 57
A. Contador: cobble 50 -> 55, prologue 83 -> 81
T. Martin: prologue 81 -> 82
I. Basso: endurance 73 ->76
S. Szmyd: mountain 76 -> 78
T. Hushovd: cobble 81 -> 82, sprint 80 -> 81
T. Boonen: cobble 83 -> 82
F. Pozzato: cobble 82 -> 81
Why should Boonen get lower COB stats? He was the only one close in Ronde van Vlaanderen and he was also the only one who did any proper work in Paris - Roubaix.
Because with 83 he leaves behind Hushovd and Flecha in Paris - Roubaix. And I forgot to give him hill 73 -> 76.
One more C. Evans: TT 79 -> 77 he isn't so good and with 79 he wins Australian TT with 1 minute over Rogers.
Under normal circumstances Boonen would probably have left Hushovd and Flecha easily in Paris - Roubaix. He is a better cobbled rider than both of them. And he does NOT deserve 76 in hill. 73 is just fine. |
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| Tooom3k |
Posted on 08-07-2010 11:50
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ponka00 wrote:
Tooom3k wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
Tooom3k wrote:
In my opinion:
A. Schleck: cobble 52 -> 57
A. Contador: cobble 50 -> 55, prologue 83 -> 81
T. Martin: prologue 81 -> 82
I. Basso: endurance 73 ->76
S. Szmyd: mountain 76 -> 78
T. Hushovd: cobble 81 -> 82, sprint 80 -> 81
T. Boonen: cobble 83 -> 82
F. Pozzato: cobble 82 -> 81
Why should Boonen get lower COB stats? He was the only one close in Ronde van Vlaanderen and he was also the only one who did any proper work in Paris - Roubaix.
Because with 83 he leaves behind Hushovd and Flecha in Paris - Roubaix. And I forgot to give him hill 73 -> 76.
One more C. Evans: TT 79 -> 77 he isn't so good and with 79 he wins Australian TT with 1 minute over Rogers.
Under normal circumstances Boonen would probably have left Hushovd and Flecha easily in Paris - Roubaix. He is a better cobbled rider than both of them. And he does NOT deserve 76 in hill. 73 is just fine.
If Cancellara deserves on 77 Boonen should has at least 75. If Boonen has 73 Cancellara should has 75 or 76.
Edited by Tooom3k on 08-07-2010 11:57
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 12:01
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Cancellara has shown that he can handle tough stages apart from the classics. Which is something Boonen hasn't.
Ronde van Vlaanderen isn't all about climbing hills. There are riders like Boonen who get themselves over the small hills by using their power. A high hill stat for Boonen would be unrealistic in everything, but Ronde van Vlaanderen while Cancellara's stat fits him for every race
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| Tooom3k |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:09
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You're right, but in my opinion the diffrence between them is too big if you play Ronde van Vlaanderen and too small in Paris-Roubaix. When you give him a bit higher hill ability it won't make playing unrealistic in other races.
Edited by Tooom3k on 08-07-2010 16:10
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:26
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Boasson Hagen shows again that he deserves more than 76 in sprint. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:30
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Likkivi wrote:
Alex Rasmussen is not a better sprinter than Breschel. The team just don't ride for Breschel in any race he is in. They do that for Rasmussen. Breschel won the final stage in Vuelta Espana and that is much more class than winning in 4 jours de D.
Breschel won that sprint at barely over 40km/h without any headwind or incline.
As sprints go that is AMAZINGLY slow. Fernández started way back and looked like a freaking rocket compared to Breschel. And Fernández isn't exactly class.
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| roturn |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:31
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76 is enough for him in my opinion. He has a 78 plain stat, so he will go fine with 76 in sprint. Just because we saw him on Top 3 twice now, doesn`t make him much better in my opinion. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:52
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roturn wrote:
76 is enough for him in my opinion. He has a 78 plain stat, so he will go fine with 76 in sprint. Just because we saw him on Top 3 twice now, doesn`t make him much better in my opinion.
Its not only in the Tour. He has shown that he can win sprints against the better sprinters several times.
And today, after Cavendish's acceleration it was Edvald who was the only rider who gained anything on Cav. |
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| Tooom3k |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:56
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ponka00 wrote:
roturn wrote:
76 is enough for him in my opinion. He has a 78 plain stat, so he will go fine with 76 in sprint. Just because we saw him on Top 3 twice now, doesn`t make him much better in my opinion.
Its not only in the Tour. He has shown that he can win sprints against the better sprinters several times.
And today, after Cavendish's acceleration it was Edvald who was the only rider who gained anything on Cav.
Ciolek was there too. I think Hagen should has 78. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 16:59
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Tooom3k wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
roturn wrote:
76 is enough for him in my opinion. He has a 78 plain stat, so he will go fine with 76 in sprint. Just because we saw him on Top 3 twice now, doesn`t make him much better in my opinion.
Its not only in the Tour. He has shown that he can win sprints against the better sprinters several times.
And today, after Cavendish's acceleration it was Edvald who was the only rider who gained anything on Cav.
Ciolek was there too. I think Hagen should has 78.
Ciolek lost a few metres on Cav while Boasson gained a few.
EDIT: I agree with 78 in sprint. And his acceleration should be in the low 70's
Edited by ponka00 on 08-07-2010 17:01
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| roturn |
Posted on 08-07-2010 17:05
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Ciolek was the first rider in the wind, he started the whole thing today and finished still in front of Hagen.
To be fair, I sympathize Ciolek but there are more important stats than sprint for a good sprinter. I`d like to see Hagen one more season before a 78 in sprint. Even if he`d change to 78 I would reduce his stat on my own.
Fortunately this is all very subjective and everybody can change stats very easily.
Edited by roturn on 08-07-2010 17:06
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 08-07-2010 17:17
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To change the subject a little: What stats should Geraint Thomas get?
Edited by ponka00 on 08-07-2010 17:18
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| Ozzy |
Posted on 08-07-2010 17:47
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Few suggestions for Poland:
S.Szmyd -> MO stat raise to 77-78. Many times he did prove, that he's one of best mountain gregarios in the world. With recent stats he's behind Spilak, Kiserlovski and Moncoutie, and we can't really use him in-game to make selection similar to what he did on Giro. Also REC raise to 74-75 and lower HILL, to 73-74.
P.Niemiec -> ACC raise to 71-72. His attacks are quite dynamic, he's also very aggresive, so he deserves more than 68 here.
M.Bodnar -> TT down to 72, PRL up to 76, FL up to 70-71. He was used by Liquigas on flat stages A LOT, he's also much better prologue rider than TT'ist.
J.Morajko -> General stats raise, especially HILL, as he's dominating Polish races this year.
R.Radosz -> General stats lowering, especially SPR.
M.Kwiatkowski -> General stats raise, especially MO and physical. Comparing with his teammates, he is no. 2-3 of Caja Rujal now, surely not so much worse than Rodrigues and Chuzhda.
Edited by Ozzy on 08-07-2010 17:47
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