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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2010 20:46
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Well, for one thing Stapleton said they didn't even get to the negotiating stage, they just informally talked about the possibility a bunch of months ago.
Secondly, what would they do if they did merge, with 45 riders under contract?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2010 21:59
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In England two riders have tested positive. Several sites published one of the names (a low level rider) and stated that the second guy is a pro. British authorities then went around asking everyone to take down the names. So, we can't name them.
Probably until the B samples come back or something.
Still....odd.
And now on a completely unrelated note, here's a forum topic I read a few hours ago, that mentions the name of a rider on its title, for no reason.
*whistles*
https://concept2.c...amp;t=6147
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| Spronx |
Posted on 04-07-2010 22:00
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can i ask a question i hear all your points about L.A..
but looking at this tour de france... there is no way he would risk doping now in his last race with all the new tests etc. his legacy and all that goes along with that... if he did dope. he would never risk it now.. surely? with all the testing surely he would be found out... not worth it too him
my question is too all the doubters. what happens if armstrong puts a performance of a lifetime in and somehow wins le tour this year or at least comes close to the schlecks and contadors... would that change anyones mind about him
would that give him more credability too the cycling world..
dont flame me  just wondering.. thanks
good to be back on the forum finally.. busy downloading the new game.. cant wait... |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-07-2010 22:03
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my question is too all the doubters. what happens if armstrong puts a performance of a lifetime in and somehow wins le tour this year or at least comes close to the schlecks and contadors... would that change anyones mind about him
would that give him more credability too the cycling world..
Nope, it would increase the doubts 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2010 22:06
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Spronx wrote:
can i ask a question i hear all your points about L.A..
but looking at this tour de france... there is no way he would risk doping now in his last race with all the new tests etc. his legacy and all that goes along with that... if he did dope. he would never risk it now.. surely? with all the testing surely he would be found out... not worth it too him
my question is too all the doubters. what happens if armstrong puts a performance of a lifetime in and somehow wins le tour this year or at least comes close to the schlecks and contadors... would that change anyones mind about him
would that give him more credability too the cycling world..
dont flame me just wondering.. thanks
good to be back on the forum finally.. busy downloading the new game.. cant wait...
1. The "He wouldn't risk it now" argument has been done to death about a trillion riders who then went on to test positive at times when they "surely wouldn't risk it". It's been beaten to death with a stick
2. There is no test for autologous blood transfusions. Do as many as you want, you'll never be caught unless a former teammate rats you out.
SportingNonsense wrote:
my question is too all the doubters. what happens if armstrong puts a performance of a lifetime in and somehow wins le tour this year or at least comes close to the schlecks and contadors... would that change anyones mind about him
would that give him more credability too the cycling world..
Nope, it would increase the doubts
Or to put it another way, it would increase the certainties.
Edited by issoisso on 04-07-2010 22:06
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| Spronx |
Posted on 04-07-2010 22:41
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ok so now what happens if andy wins... is he now doping also or is he just insanely talented... how will you ever know who is or isnt...
would love to hear what makes a clean succesful cyclist in this age.... also do you guys think basso was clean for his giro win? |
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| Roo |
Posted on 04-07-2010 23:22
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Spronx wrote:
ok so now what happens if andy wins... is he now doping also or is he just insanely talented... how will you ever know who is or isnt...
would love to hear what makes a clean succesful cyclist in this age.... also do you guys think basso was clean for his giro win?
Andy has had a shadow of doubt hang over him since Frank bought "training schedules" from Fuentes. Obviously wasn't Andy, but it certainly didn't help his reputation. Plus the fact he rides for Saxo Bank (or should I say Riis), doesn't help him along.
Basso has a tarnished reputation as well, but some would argue he's more likely to be clean. I think he was in the Giro.
There's no way to really tell if a rider is clean, but there are reasons to believe he's not, such as having links to either Fuentes or Ferrari, samples of blood with traces of EPO from '99, bloodbags with initials of nicknames etc.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-07-2010 10:53
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Antoine Vayer, who now works for the FFC, was Festina's doctor in the mid-90's.
He recently claimed that despite being extremly talented for many of them, and being on the best doping stuff of their time, what his best riders achieved back then doesn't come anywhere close to what Cancellara is achieving for a couple of years now.
Draw your conclusions... |
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Posted on 05-07-2010 11:18
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Aquarius wrote:
Draw your conclusions...
Conclusions drawn. I will now proceed to lose more faith in cycling.
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Posted on 05-07-2010 22:58
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Contador, in a message to the people of Kazakhstan for the whateverth anniversary of the city of Astana says he has "two presents" for them:
1) A victory in a GT
2) More important, a renewal of his contract with Astana.
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Posted on 07-07-2010 11:34
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Iljo Keisse just got suspended for 2 years for the affair he tought he was cleared off.
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 07-07-2010 14:39
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Swiss cycling has banned Th.Frei livelong from the national teams as Frei didnt want to talk about the doping network and said he prefers saying nothing on it as he has no prove who is involved.
He will be allowed to race though after his 2 year ban wich is for taking EPO in several cases.
I really hope we come to 4 years minimum ban in the next years.
In an interview today T.Martin said thats the main thing to be done in cycling to drastically increase the time of the ban. |
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 07-07-2010 15:15
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So today Haussler refused his german passport, for me its an unthankful move as he moved to germany to get all the education and money from the cycling federation with his german passport and now at the point to pay it back with results for the country that promoted him all the years he refuses the citizenship.
With all the critics cycling and cyclists get here its at least somehow understandable but still unthankful.
After the drink driving crash(there is really no excuse for this) and now this i cant say Haussler will ever be my favourite cyclist. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-07-2010 15:24
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Il Grillo wrote:
Swiss cycling has banned Th.Frei livelong from the national teams as Frei didnt want to talk about the doping network and said he prefers saying nothing on it as he has no prove who is involved.
He will be allowed to race though after his 2 year ban wich is for taking EPO in several cases.
I really hope we come to 4 years minimum ban in the next years.
In an interview today T.Martin said thats the main thing to be done in cycling to drastically increase the time of the ban.
Philosophically, the idea why come backs are allowed, is because the human nature is such as people evolve throughout their lives, especially by learning from their mistakes.
A guy who doesn't wish to speak or collaborate, or who is obviously telling lies, when he's been caught red-handed, shouldn't be able to come back, in my opinion.
Though, we have to deal with WADA (and IOC ?) rules about the length of bans.
Totally different subject : weren't we supposed to have a daily episode of Landis' doping adventures in the WSJ during the TDF ? We've only had one on the first day so far... Where's the aftermath ? |
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Posted on 07-07-2010 15:40
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Aquarius wrote:
...as Vaughters and Andreu mentioned Landis owning a picture of the motorcycle with freezers to transport blood bags, in an MSN chat back in 2005.
Question about the MSN conversation: I've read it now a few times, but from where exactly did it come? I'm guessing Andreu's wife, but I really have no idea. But...couldn't I sit down right now and type out a conversation and claim I got it from my husband's computer?
I'm not saying I DON'T believe it, but it definitely isn't the most credible. |
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Posted on 07-07-2010 15:50
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I suppose Andreu's wife knew about that MSN conversation, so when she was asked to bring some evidence in, she checked into their computer and came up with it. If neither Vaughters nor Andreu said that conversation never happened, we can probably trust they actually had that MSN conversation.
Of course the fact they think or assume Landis has a picture of the motorcycle doesn't prove neither that he actually has one, nor that a motorcycle with freezers is necessarily used to transport prohibited stuff, who knows, they might use it for their personal ice creams... or that doesn't prove either that the vehicle belongs to US Postal.
I think it's credible, even though it wouldn't necessarily stand as an ultimate proof out of context. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-07-2010 16:32
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Aquarius wrote:
If neither Vaughters nor Andreu said that conversation never happened, we can probably trust they actually had that MSN conversation. .
They both admitted the conversation is legitimate.
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| raz |
Posted on 07-07-2010 17:16
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Frank said that he want to participate in the Vuelta and this is the new his goal
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Posted on 07-07-2010 17:41
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raz wrote:
Frank said that he want to participate in the Vuelta and this is the new his goal
Now, that are good news. |
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Posted on 07-07-2010 17:43
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kumazan wrote:
raz wrote:
Frank said that he want to participate in the Vuelta and this is the new his goal
Now, that are good news.
Very
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