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Ronde van Vlaanderen 2014
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 06-04-2014 18:08
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My opinion:
- Fabian = legend, nuff said
- With Cancellara decreasing and Vanmarcke getting more experience, it's clear: Vanmarcke isn't overhyped and he will be THE guy to beat in the cobbled classics the coming years
- GVA rode a ballsy race today, he deserved that win so hard
- 4th is a very good result for Vandenbergh personally but OPQS failed hard today. Vandenbergh is as slow as brick in a sprint. He should be the guy to chase attackers, not the one who has to go with them.
- Sagan does seem to be less in form than last year. It doesn't look like that monument will be served to him on a silver platter.
- TOO MANY crashes. Lesser riders need to know their place and spectators should be more carefull.
- Lotto-riders are either bewitched or they eat painkillers like candy, this much bad luck just isn't normal anymore.
- I hope that women makes it.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 06-04-2014 18:17
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Am I the only one who thinks Vandenbergh needs to be taught about sprint positioning?
When you're arguably the weakest sprinter there/ the one with the least left in the tank you don't voluntarily box yourself in. Both Vanmarke and Cancellara gave themselves the option of swinging across the road as they launched their sprint but Vandenbergh stayed boxed in against the side of the road with no way round Van Avermart.
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 06-04-2014 18:24
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A short clip of the Vansummeren crash.... |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 06-04-2014 18:24
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ianrussell wrote:
Really enjoyed the little bit I managed to catch of the race.
Whether people think it's smart or not it was great to see Vanmarcke and Van Avermaet taking pulls with Cancellara - to be fair they both have a good finish and coming into a sprint with Cancellara, even after so many tough km's, they must have felt they had a fighting chance. Plus they could sit up and just get caught by faster guys like Kristoff not to mention the pack...
After the misfortune of E3 Cancellara certainly caught some luck with those 2, who are almost always prepared to work, in the race winning break.
Also Inrng reckoned Vandenburgh had just been through a course of antibiotics, which makes his ride more impressive, especially given the likely stress and less rest with the arrival of a baby so recently.
Roll on Roubaix!
I agree. a top 3 is also a great achievement in RVV and gives a lot WT points and reckonition. |
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 06-04-2014 18:32
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Nin1388 wrote:
We should also give credit to Cancellara. He has been working on his sprint. He is not the best, but he has proved he is good after long hard race. Like MSR this year, or Vuelta last year in stage when Tony Martins went is break and sprinters were all cooked and of course PR last year.
Working on his sprint? He has always been a decent sprinter whom gets better and better as the race goes on. Just look at his results sometimes and he sprints better than the ''best'' sprinters |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 06-04-2014 19:50
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YvesStevens wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
We should also give credit to Cancellara. He has been working on his sprint. He is not the best, but he has proved he is good after long hard race. Like MSR this year, or Vuelta last year in stage when Tony Martins went is break and sprinters were all cooked and of course PR last year.
Working on his sprint? He has always been a decent sprinter whom gets better and better as the race goes on. Just look at his results sometimes and he sprints better than the ''best'' sprinters
Like getting 4th in a panflat WC in 2011, only beaten by Cav, Goss and Greipel. If the race is long/though enough he's a good sprinter. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 06-04-2014 21:38
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TimoCycling wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Really enjoyed the little bit I managed to catch of the race.
Whether people think it's smart or not it was great to see Vanmarcke and Van Avermaet taking pulls with Cancellara - to be fair they both have a good finish and coming into a sprint with Cancellara, even after so many tough km's, they must have felt they had a fighting chance. Plus they could sit up and just get caught by faster guys like Kristoff not to mention the pack...
I agree. a top 3 is also a great achievement in RVV and gives a lot WT points and reckonition.
I also agree.
Personally, I cannot stand riders who don't try to get to the finish line first, no matter what cicumstances. Just image, you don't take any turns and then Cancellara has a mechanical, but you are caught by the pack because you raced "strategically".
But I think Cancellara did change his strategy. I believe he trained and improved his sprinting. Like this, he can fool all opponents until they understand. And even after they found out, he has two ways to win: Long solo or sprint of a small group.
But he don't seem to be very smart, so who taught him?
BTW: I was watching the race on the Swiss TV but 80km before the finish line, they stopped the TV broadcast. The still streamed it on the internet but 2km before the finish line, they stopped the live stream too. What a bunch ignorant fools. Luckily I was quick enough to watch the sprint on Eurosport. |
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| matosos |
Posted on 06-04-2014 23:59
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Great race we have this year,the new parcours proved to be great.
I was expecting a solo by Cancellara but a very strong Vanmarcke(he will have another crack at Roubaix),a gutsy Van Avarmaet(great dig in the Taainenberg) and Vandenbergh manage to arrive with him.
Really disapointed that Van Avarmaet didn't won that sprint,seeing the race,he was a very agressive rider out there and he deserved this year Ronde.
As for the bad in this years Ronde:CRASHES,really ugly ones and Vansumeren's crash was beyond frightening. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 06-04-2014 23:59
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I really can't get my head around the tactics of Omega Pharma yet again, as here is a team that is the strongest man for man in these cobbled classics but they seem braindead when it matters! Firstly its obvious that Boonen is not the rider that he was, but he's still their biggest profile rider and from a marketing point of view he's still their biggest name especially in the Belgian classics and so the team are stuck or obliged to support him. Secondly the shadow of Boonen looms high so it's always going to be hard for another rider like Terpstra, Stybar or Trentin to step into his shoes but if Omega want to salvage something this year then one of these needs to be leader at PR next week. But the biggest problem though is their on the road tactics, as basically they do the right thing and send a man up the road to mark any dangerous move, the problem is though that this man tends to be Vandenbergh a great team rider a powerful man to have when chasing breaks down etc but not a man to put up as a marker, he can't attack and he can't sprint, so why the hell do they keep sending him up? Surely Stybar and especially Terpstra would've been better. One thing's for certain in life, put Vandenbergh in a small group of 3 to 6 riders and he's guaranteed to finish last.
Finally glad that Cancellara won as yet again he was the strongest rider matched though by Vanmarcke and who knows if Van Avermaet hadn't ridden like madman earlier as well. Cancellara has certainly improved his sprint as that was always his Achilles heel, as there were times especially when he'd carry rivals to the line and they'd outsprint him (Gerrans great example) but now he's more likely to win in a small group sprint like today. |
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| matosos |
Posted on 07-04-2014 00:16
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The problem with OPQS was that no one manage to go with Cancellara and Vanmarcke on the Kwaremont,Terpstra was the man that should follow that move.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-04-2014 00:22
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matosos wrote:
The problem with OPQS was that no one manage to go with Cancellara and Vanmarcke on the Kwaremont,Terpstra was the man that should follow that move.
or he should've gone with Van Avermaet instead of Vandenbergh. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 07-04-2014 00:41
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Tafiolmo wrote:
matosos wrote:
The problem with OPQS was that no one manage to go with Cancellara and Vanmarcke on the Kwaremont,Terpstra was the man that should follow that move.
or he should've gone with Van Avermaet instead of Vandenbergh.
Anyone other than Boonen would have come fourth in that sprint for OPQS.
With hindsight their error was sitting back, satisfied with Vandenbergh up ahead, allowing their big group to be caught. They should have sent Terpstra/Stybar pinging off the front when Leukemans and Monard were attacking. Then they could get 2 in the leading 4, and Cance/Sangan/Vanmarke are forced to work.
But, they didn't have the two strongest riders, but managed to make sure they got a guy in the final sprint. It's not an awful result.
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| matosos |
Posted on 07-04-2014 00:48
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Tafiolmo wrote:
matosos wrote:
The problem with OPQS was that no one manage to go with Cancellara and Vanmarcke on the Kwaremont,Terpstra was the man that should follow that move.
or he should've gone with Van Avermaet instead of Vandenbergh.
Honestly at that time i don't think he will have the liberty to go with Van Avarmaet,way too strong of a duo to be up front. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-04-2014 01:12
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@Mb2612: Yes fourth is good for most teams but not for Omega Pharma as this is probably their biggest race of the season.
@Matsos: That's a good point that they may not have let Terpstra go with Van Avermaet, so it seems like the rest of the remaining riders never really saw Vandenbergh as a threat anyway.
The problem is that Omega Pharma have become a responding team, rather than a team that instigates winning moves.
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 07-04-2014 06:57
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Reminds me of Omloop last year, when all Vandenbergh had to do was leave Paolini and the race was his - not only did he take him to the sprint, he led him out. OPQS really need something more left-field for PR.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-04-2014 09:43
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weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Reminds me of Omloop last year, when all Vandenbergh had to do was leave Paolini and the race was his - not only did he take him to the sprint, he led him out. OPQS really need something more left-field for PR.
Well Vandenbergh is a great team rider, so he obviously forgot that Paolini was from a different team or that he could sprint. |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 07-04-2014 09:55
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Out of what I speeded through after recording it.
The spectators seriously need to know that they are watching a cycling race with professionals. Unlike cars the cyclists get injured when they hit spectators. The older women may have been a little clueless and I hope she is ok but someone was taken out and i think abandoned after clipping a womens coat. Move out of the fucking way!!!
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| Shonak |
Posted on 07-04-2014 11:12
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Link to the full profile. Interesting to see the different segments.
For example, Terpstra also got KoM on "Oude Kwaremont, Paterberg & Koppenberg"- combo ahead of Burghardt and Puccio. 
Edited by Shonak on 07-04-2014 11:14
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| R_Funk |
Posted on 07-04-2014 11:22
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 07-04-2014 12:33
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He he, Great pic  |
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