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Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 31-10-2012 11:37
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Oh, okay, that's good  Because in the Official Release his stats really, really suck. |
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Posted on 22-11-2024 19:08
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 01-11-2012 06:38
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Alakagom wrote:
Well Schleck got that 2nd in TdS and that's it  Plus he didn't finish a GT and been involved in doping ''scandal'' I think that's no brainer.
Leukemans was injured for the classics Avin, that's why the poor results & his stats were bit lowered though as well. However in 2nd half of the year he proved his worth. He was last man in the Worlds for Belgium as Gilbert attacked. He'll have 75 in Hill in next DB.
My bad, i forgot that injury, he was good in the 2nd half, so 75 at least is surely justified.
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| Zilu |
Posted on 02-11-2012 22:22
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Aramienda could be increased especially after his multiple attacks on the Vuelta and 4 best price combative?
Thank you for the notes of Leukemans. |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 04-11-2012 21:07
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I think the stats of Danny Pate and Mike Creed are WAY too low. As it stands, Danny Pate is an average Pro-Continental domestique, while in reality he is one of the best domestiques in the Pro Tour. I'd bump his Hill to 74, and his Flat to 76, as well as an increase in his backup stats because this is just absurdly low.
As for Mike Creed, he was 18th in the USA pro Cycling Challenge, ahead of Nibali, Kreuziger, Zaugg, Voigt, Peter Velits, Basso, and I could go on. Now I'm not saying he's a better climber than them, just that 60 Mountain is WAY too low for him. Mike Creed is another super-underated rider, and I would bump his Mountain stat to 69 or 70, with better backup stats too.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-11-2012 06:09
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74 hill for someone who racked up incredible 150 CQ points in last three seasons in total? Sorry Bushwackers, but you are either trolling once more with Danny or you cant be helped really. 
Yeah, he is hell of a domestique and hence the rather big flat stat and his hill is also not a disaster.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 05-11-2012 08:54
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His stats are quite alright, I think. Unless he did something that really deserves 74 hill? But his flat is already pretty good, too. |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 05-11-2012 21:23
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You can't tell me his stats don't need a boost, he's total garbage right now while in reality he's one of the Top 5 domestiques in the Pro Tour. Am I the only one that watched him drag the peloton through the entire Tour de France last year? This is nonsense.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 05-11-2012 21:43
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The only nonsense here is claiming that he is one of the five best domestiques in the whole WorldTour. 
Sure, he did drag the whole peloton through the Tour last year - on the flat. Hence his high flat stat.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 05-11-2012 21:47
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His flat stat is not high enough either.
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| Smal |
Posted on 05-11-2012 23:34
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-11-2012 08:25
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Bushwackers, by any chance, are you Danny Pate? |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 06-11-2012 16:01
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No, come on what I'm saying is perfectly reasonable. Forget my avatar or signature and pretend someone else said it. Do you really think that Danny Pate is the quality of an average Pro Continental rider? There's no way, but that's how it is in this DB.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 06-11-2012 16:11
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Bushwackers wrote:
No, come on what I'm saying is perfectly reasonable. Forget my avatar or signature and pretend someone else said it. Do you really think that Danny Pate is the quality of an average Pro Continental rider? There's no way, but that's how it is in this DB.
No, he's the quality of a decent Pro Continental Rider - aka a ProTour domestique. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-11-2012 16:12
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I agree he's a strong rider, a good helper, but his stats aren't low!
and even if he does deserve more, it's hard to get all stats right, but that shouldn't stop you from editing it yourself  |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 06-11-2012 18:21
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jph27 wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
No, come on what I'm saying is perfectly reasonable. Forget my avatar or signature and pretend someone else said it. Do you really think that Danny Pate is the quality of an average Pro Continental rider? There's no way, but that's how it is in this DB.
No, he's the quality of a decent Pro Continental Rider - aka a ProTour domestique.
Simply not true, he is much better than every single pro continental rider aside from the guys that can compete in grand tours. I don't think a "decent pro continental" rider could podium in multiple grand tours as well as Criterium International, or shut down every breakaway in the tour de France day after day. This guy doesn't get nearly as much credit as he deserves. It seems as though everyone likes to conveniently forget about Danny Pate every time a new database comes out. Sky doesn't even care about Americans yet they signed Danny Pate (unfortunately). I think that says something if the best team in the world signs Danny Pate when they don't even care about his nationality. Right, it says Danny Pate is much more than a "decent pro continental" rider. You people should pay attention to cycling some times.
Edited by Bushwackers on 06-11-2012 18:22
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-11-2012 18:27
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He hasn't podiumed in a GT, he has podiumed on a GT stage. The difference is quite large. Beaten by the well known "top climber" Simon Gerrans on the Tour stage he podiumed on, I might add.
There's no point in the discussion though. You'll never agree with everyone else, and we'll never agree with you. Just accept that, and edit his stats in your own DB.
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 06-11-2012 18:36
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 06-11-2012 18:35
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No one ever listens. How many times must I repeat myself? Just read what I say people it is not unrealistic based on real life. Just because you don't know anything about Danny Pate doesn't mean you should dismiss Danny Pate, it means you should do your research on Danny Pate and make an educated decision about Danny Pate. I want you all to stop listening to me and go look up Danny Pate's results right now, and get another person to tell you about his feats in the Tour, maybe Paul Sherwin or Phil Ligett because they couldn't seem to get enough of Danny Pate.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-11-2012 18:42
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Liggett or Sherwen? Yeah, I'd like to hear some more intelligent stuff from those two geniuses.
Yes, Pate has two GT stage podiums. One from a breakaway on a flat Giro stage and one on Prato Nevoso in the Tour, where Simon Gerrans and Egoi Martinez both beat him. In my eyes, that's not top class results.
In addition to those, he has finished third overall in Criterium International. Jens Voigt and Frantisek Rabon in front of him. Not top tier riders if you ask me.
And all of those results are before 2009. Since then, his best result is a 6th place in the USA national TT champs.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 06-11-2012 18:50
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If those aren't good results in your eyes then you must be blind. Egoi Martinez is a great pure climber and Gerrans is one of the best Ardennes classics leaders. And Jens Voigt isn't top tier? That's funny.
The reason he doesn't have great recent results is because he has become a legendary domestique instead of a stage hunter, as Ive said many times before about Danny Pate. I don't know what it is about this forum that draws all the Pate Haters out of the woodwork.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-11-2012 19:00
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Yes - Gerrans is an Ardennes specialist. Not a climber.
But as I said, we're never going to agree on this.
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