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| mb2612 |
Posted on 27-02-2011 19:55
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Thinking about next season, I still think young talents level up to quickly.
I feel we should change the XP required from 100 to 150 to make it take 3-4 seasons to max out, rather than 2-3
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 27-02-2011 20:00
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I like it how it is. otherwise it will take ages to have different riders at the front of our races. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 27-02-2011 20:14
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Well, the current way means that we'll probably end up having too many good riders soonish. |
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Posted on 27-02-2011 20:15
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Its easy to suggest that now youve got your guys maxed - Madrazo inparticular being done so quickly 
Id consider forcing every rider to have a season at level 4 xp at least, before maxing. I.e. You cant max out in a season if you start the season below level 4
But you cant make it too slow, given how long a season takes.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 27-02-2011 20:43
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To be fair, I also argued for it last year, your solution would probably work quite well.
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 27-02-2011 21:00
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It's taken me ages to max barely any of my riders, and that was focusing on them racing all the time, but the difference between you and I mb, was that I kept them to use them to get promoted. Got their experience through wildcards. Longer to get the experience, but better for me in the long run too. |
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Posted on 02-03-2011 09:59
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Just an indefinite idea. What about voluntary decreasing of stats?
Let´s say (just an example!), due to his great results during season, Yuri Trofimov will request massive increasing of his wage, which is unaccaptable for his manager. As mattiasgt won´t let him go away, he´ll get opportunity to lower Yuri´s wage a bit after renewals. The price for lower wage would be high though - decent decreasing of rider´s stats (AVG or primare skills...).
Second example - I´ll decide to sign FA Rein Taaramäe during transfer period. After hard bidding war I´ll eventually sign him, but then realize that I´d like improve both, lower wage and more race days. So I´d get the same chance to make a deal.
That means, there would be 2 periods - 1st right after renewals and 2nd for newly signed riders once transfer period is over. I think it would be fair, every manager could do with his riders, what he wants to do.
I don´t know background of Man-Game and can´t estimate any influence of my idea to game mechanisms at all...nevertheless I hope, it´s not only any kind of bullshit 
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:10
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If you're not happy over a riders wage demands, or amount of race days, buy a new rider, with a lower average, and therefore usually a lower wage demand. Simple.
I don't see the point in reducing stats, it just means someone else who wants that rider is really angry that someone else has decided to lower the usefulness of the rider. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:12
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That sounds really cool
I don't know how well it would work, but it is definitely worth thinking about.
Wages are determined by average so it would have to be done on that, however:
1) I think it should cost some money to do so
2) I don't know whether we want free agent bidding to come under this. If I have a million to spend on Cunego, whereas you only have 900,000 then it would be stupid if you bid to 1.1 million and then dropped his wage to 900,000 by cutting his stats, thus winning the bidding war, but paying him less than I would have.
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| beagle |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:15
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Someone else? I´m talking about MY decisions with MY OWN riders. Anyway, there is always chance to train that rider back to his usual skills in future.
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Posted on 02-03-2011 10:25
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mb2612: you´re definitely right with point 2), I didn´t see it before...
What exactly do you mean with "I think it should cost some money to do so"? To pay for saving on wages? It really confuses me 
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Posted on 02-03-2011 10:25
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Exactly, you're both talking about how it could positively affect you and your team. You've got to remember the impact it has on the rider long term. When you buy a rider, you've bought the rider for his stats at that particular time. If you don't want a rider for those stats, sell him, or DON'T BUY HIM. Don't go changing them, especially by reducing those stats.
Like MB said, why would you buy Cunego if you didn't WANT him with those stats? You will cause more anger than necessary if you bought him, then reduced his stats. I don't care much about wage changes, just stats.
Likewise, if you bought a young rider, and make the effort to train him up, don't think you can get out of his wage requests by reducing his stats. It's selfish. Perhaps mb, you shouldn't have trained your spaniards quite so much? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:29
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Either way, we're still going to need a way to devaluate riders faster. With training and the general quickness of experience gaining, we will end up having too many good riders. We are already seeing it now.
I don't have a solution (except for riders decreasing earlier than now, e.g. when they reach the age of 30-31), but it's worth thinking about. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:34
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Again, check the DB, and the ages of riders. Not this coming season so much, but the season after a massive chunk of stage racers/riders with high mountain stats, will be dropping. What happens then? The remaining 10 useful riders will have stupidly massive wages.
And if anyone can now afford to buy more than one stat increase for an already-good rider, I'd be surprised.
And again, the only way to get speedy experience increases is to sacrifice the use of the rider. Ie, you're a PT team, you have to loan your rider down to the CT. Or if you're a CT you have to loan your rider up to PT and sacrifice getting promoted. Otherwise the increases are much steadier.
Although perhaps adding in the requirement that SN said of not being able to max out in the same season as going from a level 3 rider would maybe slow it down just a bit more. |
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| beagle |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:51
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This would be opportunity for managers of those 10 useful riders to relieve to their budget! I think nobody want to experience to compete against team with "one superstar with massive wage and 19 crappy domestiques" or something like that.
I understand my second thought with buying FA and decreasing of his stats is nonsence, but maybe the first one should deserve deeper consideration.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-03-2011 10:54
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I'm not thinking at all about my team, I would never decrease Madrazo, however I don't see why you should be able to buy stat increases and not stat decreases.
Last year La Gazzetta had to decimate their team to keep Cunego, Rogers and Bennatti. Had another option been to drop Cunego's mountain stat by 1 it would have been interesting.
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| beagle |
Posted on 02-03-2011 13:10
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another idea
I believe there are 2 kinds of managers - 1st group is mostly (or clearly) result oriented, who don´t want to waste any single € and good results are only priority for them. My proposition is oriented to managers, who want to enjoy this game from another side.
Everyone one has probably his own favourite rider(s). And my heart is bleeding when I see i.e. Basso (34yo right now) with 72MO or like... Right now there is only chance (and very ineffective) how to keep older riders in so-so shape - expensive training, which is in fact wasting of money. I think we could add new feature into game, paying for slower decreasing of stats!
Of course, rules must be set up carefully to avoid too many riders with great AVG in game. So it should be useful only for few managers, who want to keep their favourite(s) as competitive - to the prejudice of effective managing the whole team.
I must say I really like this idea
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Posted on 02-03-2011 13:12
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I believe, some % down from prices for training should work
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-03-2011 13:32
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mb2612 wrote:
Last year La Gazzetta had to decimate their team to keep Cunego, Rogers and Bennatti. Had another option been to drop Cunego's mountain stat by 1 it would have been interesting.
Probably not, since mrlol chose to increase Cunego by 3 hill stat points in training.
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And on this page weve had Crue saying riders should lose stats faster with age, and Beagle saying it should be possible for decreases to be slower. It sort of goes to cancel out each others argument.
And rjc is right, while it may look like theres going to be a lot of good riders soon, below is a list if the better riders for whom 2012 will be their last season before their stats start to decrease.
Spoiler | Boonen | Tom | | Schleck | Frank | | Valverde | Alejandro | | Steegmans | Gert | | Karpets | Vladimir | | Popovych | Jaroslav | | Caruso | Gianpaolo | | Arroyo | David | | Sinkewitz | Patrik | | Kashechkin | Andrei | | Gomez Marchante | José Angel | | Plaza | Rubén | | Nuyens | Nick | | Bennati | Daniele | | Wegmann | Fabian | | Marzano | Marco | | Davis | Allan | | Duque | Leonardo | | Larsson | Gustav | | Paulinho | Sérgio | | Niemiec | Przemyslaw | | Hesjedal | Ryder | | Kessiakoff | Fredrik | | Marinangeli | Sergio | | Anza | Santo | | Veloso | Gustavo | | Sentjens | Roy | | Bak | Lars Ytting | | Gerrans | Simon | | Pineau | Jérôme | | Dumoulin | Samuel | | Rast | Grégory | | Coyot | Arnaud | | Baumann | Eric | | Chicchi | Francesco | | Van Goolen | Jurgen | | Bosisio | Gabriele | | Loosli | David | | Albasini | Michael | | Ten Dam | Laurens | | Bozic | Borut | | Borghesi | Fabio | | Colorado | Francisco | | Borrajo | Alejandro | | Boucher | David | | Mertens | Pieter | | Geslin | Anthony | | Mori | Manuele | | Donald | Jason | | Van Loocke | Jurgen |
The only real potential problem i see is that in a few seasons time, the likes of Madrazo, Phinney and co will be the best riders in the game - and have a lot of seasons left until their stats ever start to decrease. Then people will be asking for more top riders, as opposed to now.
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Posted on 02-03-2011 13:47
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ehm...I said it should be possible ONLY in very special occasions...nevermind, was just thinking how to make game more enjoyable
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