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| Deda |
Posted on 22-05-2010 00:54
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I might be slightly off-topic with this one, but something tells me that Columbia made a good choice of letting Barry and Big George go at the end of the last season.
I figured that with the current roster HTC are in serious need of some hard working and reliable domestiques, so this is just a naive and far fetched assumption: maybe Stapleton (who I believe really cares about clean cycling) somehow found out, God knows how, that things were a little fishy with those two chaps.
Or I've just totally crapped my pants now, and they were just offered with more lucrative deals/squad status.. 
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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| spudde |
Posted on 22-05-2010 02:24
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fenian_1234 wrote:
This is getting bizarre.
The facts are (imo  ) that Landis is mostly telling the truth this time - and if you doubt that, then you probably believed Floyd didn't dope in the first place and you are not worth talking to.
For me, I just wish he'd kept his mouth shut. I don't think doping will ever be eradicated, and all this does is draw even more negative publicitity to the sport and push us further away from my dream of having start-finish coverage of most races on TV at the expense of tennis or U12 Football.
Yea, Floyd is now talking the truth about his own doping but I wouldn't be so sure that all the details of his other stories are true.. Perhaps all of them are true, maybe only some of them, it's hard to say. As I said before I wouldn't be surprised to see him just throw some people under the bus or bring some people involved just to stir up something.
Well, hopefully this then leads to a proper investigation so either they can say that they found something incriminating, or they found nothing in which case Lance will continue on and most cycling followers will forget about this until someone else comes out and says something.
Edit: And btw, can't someone now start sueing Landis for raising a lot of money under totally false pretences a few years back? If that happens I don't think Floyd will necessary be that happy of "coming clean"
Edited by spudde on 22-05-2010 02:29
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 22-05-2010 05:51
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issoisso wrote:
That's where we disagree. I'm pretty sure they can easily get a subpoena with the current information, as she is an absolutely vital witness to both sides.
In the US they will never get a subpoena based upon Landis testimony. You need more proof than just his words. Plus any decent lawyer would easily destroy his credibility to the point where no judge would issue that subpoena. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 22-05-2010 05:57
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The marital confidences privilege, also called the "marital communications privilege," is a form of privileged communication protecting the contents of confidential communications between a married couple. This privilege applies in civil and criminal cases. When applied, a court may not compel one spouse to testify against the other concerning confidential communications made during marriage.
The privilege generally applies only where both of the following fact situations are present: (1) a third party was not present during the communication (the presence of a third party would destroy the confidential nature of the communication), and (2) both parties intended that the communication be confidential.
The privilege is usually restricted to confidential communications made during marriage and does not include communications made before the marriage or after divorce. The privilege does, however, generally survive the divorce; that is, a person can be prevented from testifying about confidential communications with an ex-spouse made during the marriage.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 22-05-2010 10:01
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The privilege generally applies only where both of the following fact situations are present: (1) a third party was not present during the communication (the presence of a third party would destroy the confidential nature of the communication)
Floyd was there. Therefore, it's not covered by this, irregardless of the divorce aspect 
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| spudde |
Posted on 22-05-2010 10:20
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Crommy wrote:
The privilege generally applies only where both of the following fact situations are present: (1) a third party was not present during the communication (the presence of a third party would destroy the confidential nature of the communication)
Floyd was there. Therefore, it's not covered by this, irregardless of the divorce aspect
Again, how do they know Floyd was there? Floyd said so but I don't think his word is enough to make it a reality that this kind of an encounter actually happened. So apparently, the privilege will apply to everything the wife discussed or saw while she was alone with Lance so probably she wouldn't have to say anything to anyone. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 22-05-2010 11:04
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https://www.cyclin...uthorities
Looking promising
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-05-2010 12:24
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and man who I respect ..Lemond step forward and choosing side..
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| khris |
Posted on 22-05-2010 12:38
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And considering his history with Landis, Lemond taking Landis side shows how much character he has. Very impressive. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 22-05-2010 12:50
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Lemonde has been anti-armstrong for years, hardly suprising.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-05-2010 14:25
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fenian_1234 wrote:
This is getting bizarre.
If you're referring to the legal discussion about Kristin Armstrong, yes, this is bizarre.
Chances are that this is over in a couple of days... that's my guess anyway |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 22-05-2010 14:26
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Scott Sunderland has left Sky.
What chances that he emerges again shortly with another new team, only to leave them also, a few months into 2011?
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| lasol |
Posted on 22-05-2010 16:39
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LeMond concluded:
“Clean racing makes for a much more exciting sport, and I encourage the fans to engage in the dialogue surrounding Floyd Landis’ comments and advocate with me here and elsewhere for positive 'pure' change.”
Well they should also shorten the stages of grand tours. In Giro, 6 days straight, over 200km, including a 260km monster. That's gotta hurt the legs. I'm not saying they should cut the days, but shorten the stages. you don't need kilometres in legs like in Ronde or LBL, you already have 'em from previous days. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 22-05-2010 16:59
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Yeah that makes sense. Especially as the first rest day was held too early in the competition.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 22-05-2010 17:01
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CrueTrue wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
This is getting bizarre.
If you're referring to the legal discussion about Kristin Armstrong, yes, this is bizarre.
That indeed was what I was referring to. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-05-2010 17:20
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lasol wrote:
LeMond concluded:
“Clean racing makes for a much more exciting sport, and I encourage the fans to engage in the dialogue surrounding Floyd Landis’ comments and advocate with me here and elsewhere for positive 'pure' change.”
Well they should also shorten the stages of grand tours. In Giro, 6 days straight, over 200km, including a 260km monster. That's gotta hurt the legs. I'm not saying they should cut the days, but shorten the stages. you don't need kilometres in legs like in Ronde or LBL, you already have 'em from previous days.
Although I do get your point, I don't think that shortening the stages will need. Ultimately, cycling will always be about reaching the goal line first. Doping gives you an advantage in this, no matter how short / long the stages are. |
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Posted on 22-05-2010 17:39
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CrueTrue wrote:
Although I do get your point, I don't think that shortening the stages will need. Ultimately, cycling will always be about reaching the goal line first. Doping gives you an advantage in this, no matter how short / long the stages are.
I think you would get closer race with shorter stages. I'm now 28 years old and I've been noticing I'm not 20 any more. Surely these pros also feel the strain, especially if they're all in the same starting line with no EPO or other medicine. I know they have top notch masseurs, dietary and ofcourse training, but they're still normal human beings (hopefully mostly in future). Also you would also see more top sprinters and helpers completing GT's which is good IMO.
The best wins, shortening doesn't change that, surely. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2010 17:41
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CrueTrue wrote:
Although I do get your point, I don't think that shortening the stages will need. Ultimately, cycling will always be about reaching the goal line first. Doping gives you an advantage in this, no matter how short / long the stages are.
This.
Long stages, and big mountain passes are okay, it's the average speed of the race which is insane. With no dope, you can go over those mountains, but no way you can follow a dopehead climbing it with an insane pace. |
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| arthon |
Posted on 22-05-2010 18:00
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lasol wrote:
LeMond concluded:
“Clean racing makes for a much more exciting sport, and I encourage the fans to engage in the dialogue surrounding Floyd Landis’ comments and advocate with me here and elsewhere for positive 'pure' change.”
Well they should also shorten the stages of grand tours. In Giro, 6 days straight, over 200km, including a 260km monster. That's gotta hurt the legs. I'm not saying they should cut the days, but shorten the stages. you don't need kilometres in legs like in Ronde or LBL, you already have 'em from previous days.
You should check out GTs from 80, 90 or even 100 years ago and the lenght of the stages. And consider the fact that the only doping method back then was stuffing yourself with coffee. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 22-05-2010 18:36
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arthon wrote:
lasol wrote:
LeMond concluded:
“Clean racing makes for a much more exciting sport, and I encourage the fans to engage in the dialogue surrounding Floyd Landis’ comments and advocate with me here and elsewhere for positive 'pure' change.”
Well they should also shorten the stages of grand tours. In Giro, 6 days straight, over 200km, including a 260km monster. That's gotta hurt the legs. I'm not saying they should cut the days, but shorten the stages. you don't need kilometres in legs like in Ronde or LBL, you already have 'em from previous days.
You should check out GTs from 80, 90 or even 100 years ago and the lenght of the stages. And consider the fact that the only doping method back then was stuffing yourself with coffee.
False, cocaine, heroin and strychnine are just examples of some of the doping used 100 years ago.
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