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| Halvor |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:21
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how many meters? |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:25
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F_Schleck wrote:
how many meters?
Ben Nevis is the tallest mountain at 1344m - not sure where or how high the highest road climb is though.
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:25
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Ben Nevis: 1344
Snowdon: 1085
Scaffell Pike: 978
2 really tough climbs are Mam Tor and Winnets pass in the Peak District, which is stunning and great cycling country. |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:27
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wow, I thought Great Britain was flat  I thought wrong... Why aren't they using these climbs in Tour of Britain? |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:29
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Because they're stupid. Seriously a finish up Mam tor would be so good. In the TOB they have a huge jouney to get from stage to stage. It just takes peoples morale away. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:33
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F_Schleck wrote:
wow, I thought Great Britain was flat I thought wrong... Why aren't they using these climbs in Tour of Britain?
You cant have been paying too much attention to the Tour of Britain then. They may not use mountains but there has been a lot of hilly terrain, some of it being pretty tough.
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| Halvor |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:37
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Correct, haven't payed that much attention to TOB... But if there is a climb on ca. 10 km's, the race had been much more attractive..
Or am I stupid and tired? |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 13-09-2008 23:38
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I would be more exciting and worth something if it had a good bid climb I think. |
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| drugsdontwork |
Posted on 14-09-2008 01:34
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The organisers of the Tour of Britain get much of their sponsorship money from the Regional Development Agencies (RDA). The more a Region is willing to pay, the more likely it is to get a stage.
Since the RDA's pay so much money I think they also get a big say on the route each stage takes. Naturally the RDA's are more interested in sending the race through tourist areas than through areas that would make for good racing (hence Sunday's stage goes from Blackpool to Liverpool!!!).
As a result, two things happen:-
1. The biggest/richest RDAs are located in the most populus areas e.g. Cities and towns. Not in the more desolate (but much more hilly) areas which are better for stage racing.
2. The large RDA's are not located next to each other so you end up with large transfers between stages. As a result, in the recent history of the tour, stages have hardly ever (never I think) started in the place where the previous one finished.
It makes for poor racing but you can't really blame the organisers. Since if they didn't get the money then there'd be no racing at all!!!!
Perhaps in the future it will change?
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 14-09-2008 02:05
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drugsdontwork wrote:
The organisers of the Tour of Britain get much of their sponsorship money from the Regional Development Agencies (RDA). The more a Region is willing to pay, the more likely it is to get a stage.
Since the RDA's pay so much money I think they also get a big say on the route each stage takes. Naturally the RDA's are more interested in sending the race through tourist areas than through areas that would make for good racing (hence Sunday's stage goes from Blackpool to Liverpool!!!).
As a result, two things happen:-
1. The biggest/richest RDAs are located in the most populus areas e.g. Cities and towns. Not in the more desolate (but much more hilly) areas which are better for stage racing.
2. The large RDA's are not located next to each other so you end up with large transfers between stages. As a result, in the recent history of the tour, stages have hardly ever (never I think) started in the place where the previous one finished.
It makes for poor racing but you can't really blame the organisers. Since if they didn't get the money then there'd be no racing at all!!!!
Perhaps in the future it will change?
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| t-baum |
Posted on 14-09-2008 04:41
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Deadpool wrote:
drugsdontwork wrote:
The organisers of the Tour of Britain get much of their sponsorship money from the Regional Development Agencies (RDA). The more a Region is willing to pay, the more likely it is to get a stage.
Since the RDA's pay so much money I think they also get a big say on the route each stage takes. Naturally the RDA's are more interested in sending the race through tourist areas than through areas that would make for good racing (hence Sunday's stage goes from Blackpool to Liverpool!!!).
As a result, two things happen:-
1. The biggest/richest RDAs are located in the most populus areas e.g. Cities and towns. Not in the more desolate (but much more hilly) areas which are better for stage racing.
2. The large RDA's are not located next to each other so you end up with large transfers between stages. As a result, in the recent history of the tour, stages have hardly ever (never I think) started in the place where the previous one finished.
It makes for poor racing but you can't really blame the organisers. Since if they didn't get the money then there'd be no racing at all!!!!
Perhaps in the future it will change?
wrong thread
Did you even read the posts above it?
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 14-09-2008 15:13
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t-baum wrote:
Did you even read the posts above it?
I did, the entire discussion is in the wrong thread is what I meant |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 14-09-2008 15:17
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SportingNonsense wrote:
F_Schleck wrote:
wow, I thought Great Britain was flat I thought wrong... Why aren't they using these climbs in Tour of Britain?
You cant have been paying too much attention to the Tour of Britain then. They may not use mountains but there has been a lot of hilly terrain, some of it being pretty tough.
The problem is though, they send them up some difficult(ish) climbs, but they end 50k before the finish, so they can easily be caught by the bunch.
If they'd have finished yesterday on top of Mennocks Pass Steve Cummings would be in yellow
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 14-09-2008 15:21
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Not really Deadpool. the Discussion about the structure of Tour of Britain is really well suited in the section.
I have to say though, there are a lot of good climbs near me. They are some definite category climbs. The flat parts generally are only the cities and agricultural land. A lot of Britain is fairly lumpy. You don't see roads on these very big climbs because they are mostly in National Parks which do not allow the tampering of Human activity. Therefore infrastructure can-not be constructed. Sucks for Road cyclist really. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 14-09-2008 15:23
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Smoothie wrote:
Not really Deadpool. the Discussion about the structure of Tour of Britain is really well suited in the section.
I don't agree, but I see your point. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 14-09-2008 15:28
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Good but the main point is that some topics need to run on like this. we can make a new thread if something changed subject. Like this one running onto the structure of TOB funding. It happens all over the forum. Say in a jersey request thread. We cant make a new thread about how we like the real life jersey or bike  |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 14-09-2008 16:05
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Smoothie wrote:
Good but the main point is that some topics need to run on like this. we can make a new thread if something changed subject. Like this one running onto the structure of TOB funding. It happens all over the forum. Say in a jersey request thread. We cant make a new thread about how we like the real life jersey or bike
lets continue this discussion on msn, as we are now spamming the thread |
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| chuckie |
Posted on 14-09-2008 16:13
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Smoothie wrote:
Not really Deadpool. the Discussion about the structure of Tour of Britain is really well suited in the section.
I have to say though, there are a lot of good climbs near me. They are some definite category climbs. The flat parts generally are only the cities and agricultural land. A lot of Britain is fairly lumpy. You don't see roads on these very big climbs because they are mostly in National Parks which do not allow the tampering of Human activity. Therefore infrastructure can-not be constructed. Sucks for Road cyclist really.
When I raced in England, it was all in parks and bike tracks (you know the one in preston) like a crit,hated it.
Why don't they use the roads?
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 14-09-2008 16:20
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You need to be a certain age before you are allowed to race on roads. You need to be junior level. Even then the roads arn't closed. |
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| tomzk111 |
Posted on 18-09-2008 18:35
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Smoothie wrote:
You need to be a certain age before you are allowed to race on roads. You need to be junior level. Even then the roads arn't closed.
lol tell me about it. I've had two crashes when racing on roads (albeit in time trials) and both have been caused by other cars. Most drivers in the UK are such w***ers!
A friend of mine raced in a junior race in Belgium last year and apparently the racing is so much better there. |
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