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| BenBarnes |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:26
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issoisso wrote:
trueatfirstlight wrote:
There are bad politicians all over the world, make no mistake about that. We just seem to consistently provide the rest of the free world with the most outrageous examples of them in recent memory.
Nah, I don't think they're any more outrageous. Just the most well publicized ones.
That really is a huge problem. Our politians have become celebs. And what's worse...our celebs have become our politicians!  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:27
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“True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.”
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:30
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Back on topic, Horrillo, one of the most intelligent and sensible riders in the peloton likely will never ride again 
EDIT: As a pro, I mean. He'll ride for recreation, no worries there.
Edited by issoisso on 18-05-2009 23:31
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:31
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issoisso wrote:
Back on topic, Horrillo, one of the most intelligent and sensible riders in the peloton likely will never ride again
Yeah, its horrible, thank god he survived though |
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:35
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Someone should make an avatar to honour him
Words to live by
"What would Lance do?"
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-05-2009 23:41
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issoisso wrote:
Back on topic, Horrillo, one of the most intelligent and sensible riders in the peloton likely will never ride again
EDIT: As a pro, I mean. He'll ride for recreation, no worries there.
yeaah ..at the moment I got injury list this reminded me Beloki crash..he was never the same. Well Horillo is already in solid age..has two kids..good luck for the future. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-05-2009 00:33
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BenBarnes wrote:
issoisso wrote:
BenBarnes wrote:
Well sorry if I've done something to piss you off already in my short time here.
You exist. That's enough for rj 
...or do I?
Indeed so Isso. Indeed so. Everyone who enters comes through my hate period. I'll get over you when someone else appears. (In actual fact, I couldn't care much about you, you spell correctly most of the time, thats good enough for me not to hate you).
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-05-2009 00:35
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Guido Mukk wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Back on topic, Horrillo, one of the most intelligent and sensible riders in the peloton likely will never ride again
EDIT: As a pro, I mean. He'll ride for recreation, no worries there.
yeaah ..at the moment I got injury list this reminded me Beloki crash..he was never the same. Well Horillo is already in solid age..has two kids..good luck for the future.
A true domestique. Hard working, hidden behind the stars of cycling, but always there. Guys like him make cycling the great sport that it is. In most sports you need others to lay down their chances for you, and cycling really hides those who do it. I hope you, or the source you got that from Isso, is wrong, I truely do.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-05-2009 00:37
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rjc_43 wrote:
I hope you, or the source you got that from Isso, is wrong, I truely do.
For the record, it was Geert Leinders, Rabobank team doctor.
I remember Horrillo having moments of glory though. Many years ago, a sprint win at Paris-Nice. That's about all I remember of him in the spotlight though.
Edited by issoisso on 19-05-2009 00:38
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-05-2009 00:41
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Thats all cyclingnews have got on him too. A real pity.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-05-2009 09:01
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On the Rasmussen case, Kohl's lawyer has confirmed that Kohl named Michael Rasmussen and Christian Hoffmann as his two companions who 'invested' in the blood centrifuge. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-05-2009 09:27
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CrueTrue wrote:
On the Rasmussen case, Kohl's lawyer has confirmed that Kohl named Michael Rasmussen and Christian Hoffmann as his two companions who 'invested' in the blood centrifuge.
As someone around here likes to say: It's been mentioned 
Actually, Kohl named more athletes. Hoffman and Rasmussen are the only ones whose names are public so far.
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:19
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rjc_43 wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
BenBarnes wrote:
Not arguing, but just questioning, how does Lance Armstrong make a "mockery of the sport?"
2. Is using cycling to further his political career.
4. He believes that he'll actually win anything.
11. "Inspires" (with popeyes spinach I feel) his riders to suddenly go from nothing to good again. (Popo crap last year, suddenly revitalised. Horner as old as they come, suddenly flying).
I can't think of anything else that annoys me right now, but I'll get back to you when it does.
I'm curious about some of your reasons.
#2... political career? If Lance wanted to get into politics... this comeback isn't helping. Unless he wins the Tour (which nobody thinks will happen), people in the US have no clue what's happening in Cycling. If he won another Tour it might help... but that isn't happening. If politics was his goal, he would have been better served just to run for office in Texas... he'd probably win.
#4... he posted before the second stage with a climb that he was hoping to stay within 2 minutes of the leaders (finished 3 minutes back). He said before the race he was there to help Levi. While I can believe deep down he may still think he can win... he hasn't really said anything publicly that indicates he thinks he's in competition... at least not at the Giro. Is there something else he's said that makes you think otherwise?
#11... Popo had a down year... but finishing 3rd in Paris-Nice isn't being totally crappy either. Horner didn't drop all that much last year... when he went to the team you seem to think is a doping risk (Astana) from a team you seem to indicate was clean by your shot at Popo (Lotto). I don't think he's riding any better then he did helping Cadel Evans in the 2007 Tour. And even if you are right that those guys are doping up... do you really think Lance is the instigator more than Bruyneel?
Yes, he's back in cycling to promote cancer awareness, and his own charity that supports it. Yes, thats a very noble cause, but it sets him up as a "great man". One that would use or get supporters to use the charity pitch to gain support. We'll see in the future whether he does or not, won't we? Though I'm guessing none of you will be still around to get told "I told you so".
4. He said that he was no longer going for GC, but still hoped to win a stage in the Giro, and help Levi. I don't see him getting in any breaks, I don't see him beating anyone.
Correction from my side. This point, having re-read cyclingnews' news, is certainly not true - him going for a stage win. It's just cyclingnews' badly phrased English and reporting as usual. Apologies. Article here
11. I didn't infer that Silence was any cleaner than Astana. I just literally mentioned that I don't think it's quite right that someone who didn't perform well last season is doing suddenly better. It's the human in me that just jumps to conclusion between fact A and fact B, even if there is no connection between the two. I in no way wish to infer that Horner or Popo are doped up without having prior evidence to support my claim, I just find Lance's return and Popo's return to form when it's needed suspicious. Just like I find other things suspicious.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying he won't go into politics... I'm saying he already could have won a house seat in Texas easily without coming back. He isn't getting any notice in the US... and he won't until the Tour. Even then, if he rides like this nobody will pay attention. If politics was the goal, the comeback was a waste of time. He's not going win a race for governor without winning a house seat first... and that was easily doable before the comeback.
As for Popo's form... guys have had down years before. And while Popo's Tour was horrible, finishing 3rd in Paris-Nice isn't a horrible accomplishment... it's not like he was pathetic the entire year. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:30
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trueatfirstlight wrote:
#2... political career? If Lance wanted to get into politics... this comeback isn't helping. Unless he wins the Tour (which nobody thinks will happen), people in the US have no clue what's happening in Cycling. If he won another Tour it might help... but that isn't happening. If politics was his goal, he would have been better served just to run for office in Texas... he'd probably win.
It's been a rumor among certain political circles that Lance plans to run for Governor of Texas in the years to come, so this inference is not at all off-base, irrespective of whatever you may choose to believe his true motives are.
And if that rumor is true, then all of this press is doing nothing but good for a future term in office, strategically speaking. He's traipsing around the world, meeting with heads of state and discussing a policy agenda; he doesn't have to win the Tour to do any of that.
Lance, Arnold, Jessie 'The Body' Ventura, ... 
Between them and filibuster, no wonder it takes so long to pass legislation.
What press?
The only press Lance has gotten from his comeback were:
1) when he announced the comeback
2) When the french went after him for the drug test thing
3) The crash.
He's getting a lot of european press... but that won't help him win an election in Texas.
Lance can't win a governors race in Texas. Nothing he does cycling will change this. He HAS to start with a lower office (such as a house seat). And he would have had a BETTER chance of winning that by running in 2008 then he will later, unless he wins another Tour. Anything less will just take him further away from the only thing Americans know him for... winning the TDF.
And honestly... he probably can't win a governors race in Texas ever... regardless of what he does. The fact he's pro-choice and against the Iraq war pretty much means thats not an achievable goal... not the way the demographics in that state stand at the moment.
The only thing that coming back and angling toward being a "cancer rep" might get him politically is some sort of appointment in a presidential administration dealing with public health awareness. That I could see. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2009 09:26
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Lance Armstrong has called for the riders to start a riders' union to defend their interests.
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Will somebody tell the old man that the reason Cioni went to talk to him after the protests in behalf of the other riders is because Cioni IS the president of the already existing riders' union, and not because Armstrong is cute and cuddly.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-05-2009 09:49
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Armstrong = clueless.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 20-05-2009 09:50
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Wait, who would vote Cioni to be in charge of anything? Are we talking about the same guy here?
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| drugsdontwork |
Posted on 20-05-2009 09:54
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I thought Cédric Vasseur was President of the CPA (the International Association of Professional Cyclists)? Dario Cioni is just a rider nominated member of the UCI ProTour Council.
Still a stupid statement from LA, should think first before speaking.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 20-05-2009 10:22
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LA statements are weird.. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 20-05-2009 13:06
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I think we need to make a poll here, who is most pathetic? the norwegians or Lance... I'd say Lance the norwegians ain't that bad
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