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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:25
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I always thought that Hamilton was better than Massa in the rain? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:28
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The Ferrari had a problem warming tires that made it very hard to drive in the rain or in cool conditions. Or even normally.
Now that it's been fixed, the truth is out there for all to see.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 14-09-2008 12:42
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How does the weather today look like?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-09-2008 13:04
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Bourdais didn't manage to get his car started on the "practice lap" or whatever it's called. But in the end, he succeded and will start last.
It's soooo rainy. |
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Posted on 14-09-2008 14:35
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German forums are going nuts at the moment
Sebastian Vettel with a start/finish win
And as every time : That must be a world champion (in the german opinion , even at 1 race at Fuji and Shanghai)
I think it too but at that moment because that was a world class race , every world champion shows sometimes a world class race or something you must have as a world champion (like Hamilton with his car driving when he is passing , let just a little space etc.)
Heidfeld must be annoyed , he has a better car and Vettel wins before him XD |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-09-2008 14:49
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CrueTrue wrote:
Bourdais didn't manage to get his car started on the "practice lap" or whatever it's called. But in the end, he succeded and will start last.
It's soooo rainy. Sad thing is that Bourdais had fuel for about 4 more laps, and was often as fast as Vettel (when he wasn't stuck in the traffic) today.
Unfortunately if he doesn't get good enough results Toro Rosso won't keep him for next season. 
1. Kimi Räikkönen - Ferrari – 1’28.047 – 53ème tour
2. Sébastien Bourdais – Toro Rosso Ferrari – 1’29.258 – 52ème tour
3. Mark Webber - Red Bull Renault – 1’29.681 – 52ème tour
4. Felipe Massa - Ferrari – 1’29.696 – 52ème tour
5. Lewis Hamilton – McLaren Mercedes – 1’29.721 – 52ème tour
6. Nick Heidfeld - BMW Sauber – 1’29.807 – 53ème tour
7. Jenson Button - Honda – 1’29.827 – 52ème tour
8. Timo Glock - Toyota – 1’29.948 – 53ème tour
9. Fernando Alonso - Renault – 1’29.961 – 51ème tour
10. Nico Rosberg – Williams Toyota – 1’30.019 – 53ème tour
11. Kazuki Nakajima – Williams Toyota – 1’30.215 – 53ème tour
12. Robert Kubica - BMW Sauber – 1’30.298 – 52ème tour
13. Heikki Kovalainen – McLaren Mercedes – 1’30.300 – 53ème tour
14. Sebastian Vettel – Toro Rosso Ferrari – 1’30.510 – 53ème tour
15. Jarno Trulli - Toyota – 1’30.853 – 52ème tour
16. Nelsinho Piquet - Renault – 1’30.918 – 53ème tour
17. David Coulthard - Red Bull Renault – 1’32.459 – 49ème tour
18. Adrian Sutil - Force India Ferrari – 1’33.458 – 51ème tour
19. Rubens Barrichello - Honda – 1’33.918 – 42ème tour
20. Giancarlo Fisichella - Force India Ferrari – 1’37.304 – 6ème tour
It seems Alonso is on the verge of signing a two years contract with BMW, where he'll take Heidfeld's position.
So, Renault would have Piquet Jr + Grosjean next season (ZOMG Briatore humiliated : a French pilot), whereas if Alonso stayed (more and more unlikely) Renault would have Alonso + Di Grassi.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 14-09-2008 17:48
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 Vettel!
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 14-09-2008 20:13
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Vettel rules!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-09-2008 10:06
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Yeah, very impressive win by Vettel.
It was fun listening to the team radio afterwards. "I'm speechless. Mile grazzie, mile grazzie" (spelling ...). They sounded so happy, the Toro Rosso guys. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-09-2008 10:31
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"Grazie mille"  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-09-2008 10:33
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Couldn't be more wrong then, it seems |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-09-2008 20:05
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I've finally seen the race now. Huge clap for the genious that is Giorgio Ascanelli. The man is a true legend, and his decision to risk Vettel out on a 100% rain setup was a huge gamble that almost certainly would've seen Vettel in last. Instea, to the surprise of everyone, rain came out of nowhere and Vettel won. Brilliant, brilliant man, Ascanelli.
He spent his career working with all the top teams, with Senna, with Berger, then he retired. Now he comes back from retirement and does this...he's as good as ever, the man's a legend.
EDIT: The turnaround of the team from bottom feeder to race winner has been gradual and started as soon as he joined. It was a nice moment seeing him crying with emotion at the end 
Edited by issoisso on 16-09-2008 20:09
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| pedala |
Posted on 16-09-2008 20:22
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It was a very spectaculous and entertaining race, I just love wet races, lots of drama and leader changes.
Vettel in wet conditions is just as good as Schumacher; I believe Vettel will be world champion one day. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-09-2008 07:43
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issoisso wrote:
I've finally seen the race now. Huge clap for the genious that is Giorgio Ascanelli. The man is a true legend, and his decision to risk Vettel out on a 100% rain setup was a huge gamble that almost certainly would've seen Vettel in last. Instea, to the surprise of everyone, rain came out of nowhere and Vettel won. Brilliant, brilliant man, Ascanelli.
He spent his career working with all the top teams, with Senna, with Berger, then he retired. Now he comes back from retirement and does this...he's as good as ever, the man's a legend.
EDIT: The turnaround of the team from bottom feeder to race winner has been gradual and started as soon as he joined. It was a nice moment seeing him crying with emotion at the end Actually Vettel said Toro Rosso used less wings (how do you say it in English) for the race than most teams, which gave them a better top speed (+12 km/h according to one of his interviews) but less grip.
Although there are half a dozen of parameters you can toy with to get a rain setup, adding more wings is one of the most significant. Toro Rosso were definitely not on a 100 % rain setup, Bourdais wouldn't have gotten the second fastest lap in-race in the last lap on an almost dry circuit otherwise. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-09-2008 09:21
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Chris Horner said they had the cars in both extremes: Bourdais was going for dry, as was every other car except Vettel (the setups are decided before qualifying, at a time when everyone was sure rain was a remote possibility and cannot be changed again for the duration of the weekend)
I wouldn't trust Vettel, he's the same guy who "admitted" they had almost no fuel in the car despite the fact they pitted around the same time as everyone else.
Edited by issoisso on 17-09-2008 09:22
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-09-2008 09:40
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Well, it's hard to know if he was right about the top speeds since they were never displayed during the race. In the "Temple of Speed" it's quite a shame...
Hamilton seemed to have a quite rainy setup too, he was very fast (with a low top speed in qualifying) under the rain, but could hardly overtake any more when it dried.
He's quite a dangerous driver too. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 17-09-2008 09:42
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issoisso wrote:
I wouldn't trust Vettel,
Whats this? Doping/cheating accusations in my F1? I dont believe this!
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 17-09-2008 10:25
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issoisso wrote:
I wouldn't trust Vettel, he's the same guy who "admitted" they had almost no fuel in the car despite the fact they pitted around the same time as everyone else.
No, because he pitted exactly when the commentators said he would, it's just that the other cars also had no fuel in thier tanks and hence also had to pit early.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-09-2008 10:29
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mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I wouldn't trust Vettel, he's the same guy who "admitted" they had almost no fuel in the car despite the fact they pitted around the same time as everyone else.
No, because he pitted exactly when the commentators said he would, it's just that the other cars also had no fuel in thier tanks and hence also had to pit early.
He pitted on lap 19, that's pretty deep into the race. This is not 78 lap monaco.
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Posted on 17-09-2008 10:34
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yes but when the track is wet they use much less fuel and so can stay out for longer
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