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| marble |
Posted on 18-02-2011 19:12
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ponka00 wrote:
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That somewhat explains the strange results, 47 seconds on Hagen over 2 kilometers of 13,5% isn't that amazing. It's still a nice win by Gesink and he's definitely gonna be a conteder for the big Tours this year, just don't overdo it.
Sky was setting a wild pace on the flats which caused split in the peleton. I'm pretty sure Gesink suffered a little bit there 
He did probably suffer there indeed, but so did everyone else and in the end everyone was tired on the last climb and the high pace probably made the gaps even bigger than they would've been if the pace had been low.
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That somewhat explains the strange results, 47 seconds on Hagen over 2 kilometers of 13,5% isn't that amazing. It's still a nice win by Gesink and he's definitely gonna be a conteder for the big Tours this year, just don't overdo it.
Fuglsang and Vinokourov were in the 1st group too. They lost 2 minutes. Vandevelde lost almost 1 minute...
You are not making a valid point here. Just because EBH is doing better than expected, doesn't make Gesinks performance anything less
Maybe you should consider giving credit where credit is due...
To be quite honest, I don't think Fuglsang and Vinokourov tried their hardest to keep up as soon as they knew they had no chance at the stage win. Hagen on the other hand was probably trying to do his best to still be in it for the overall victory. I didn't watch the stage but it's pretty obvious that there is something wrong when Hagen beats Fuglsang and other good clinbers with over a minute on a 4 kilometer long climb. Besides I never said Gesink's performance wasn't good. I just said don't overdo it, he was the best today no doubt.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-02-2011 20:16
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So how is anyone overdoing it?
I don't see any messages with "Gesink wins the Tour with 20 minutes" or any of that short shit.
That's the problem with you people. You see things that aren't there.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 20:22
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Fuglsang was collecting waterbottles all day. Could be one of the reasons he dropped.
And secondly: EBH looks like he lost a LOT of weight. He has lost all of his fat around his stomach. He has always looked quite fat in comparison to his opponents, but not anymore
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| Lachi |
Posted on 18-02-2011 20:37
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ponka00 wrote:
And secondly: EBH looks like he lost a LOT of weight. He has lost all of his fat around his stomach. He has always looked quite fat in comparison to his opponents, but not anymore So, at least the fuzz about contador was worth something. Now everybody knows about the benefits of clenbutarol. |
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| marble |
Posted on 18-02-2011 20:43
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ruben wrote:
So how is anyone overdoing it?
I don't see any messages with "Gesink wins the Tour with 20 minutes" or any of that short shit.
That's the problem with you people. You see things that aren't there.
Looking at your reaction it seemed as if what Gesink had just pulled off was simply amazing. My point was that 47 seconds to Hagen over 2 kilometers of a 13,5% slope isn't exactly a surprise. You don't have to be saying "Gesink wins the Tour with 20 minutes" to overdo something. You make this seem like a bigger deal then it actually is, as Hagen was expected to lose quite some time to Gesink today. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-02-2011 20:58
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I stay by my point that 47 seconds in 2km is amazing. Even on a 13% slope.
It doesn't happen much. And everyone (vino, fuglsang etc) was there at 2km to go.... so that means 2 MINUTES on 2km on Vino/Fuglsang.
I stilll think thats impressive, regardless of the fact that the nr 2 is Hagen or the nr 9 is Flecha, etc...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 21:00
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ruben, by the very fact that the best of the rest was indeed a guy who is reknown for his inability to climb doesn't make Gesink's win any more impressive than the fact that he won a stage. Well done Gesink, you won a stage over non-climbers. By 47 seconds no less. Congrats.
EDIT: And of course you fail to acknowledge the environmental conditions the race was raced in. Clearly it was extraordinarily warm, which favours the thin significantly. Someone like, say, Gesink.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 18-02-2011 21:02
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Wow. A heated debate about the Tour of Oman. Isn't it a little too early in the season for this? I mean we have not even made it to Paris-Nice yet. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 21:03
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Lachi wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
And secondly: EBH looks like he lost a LOT of weight. He has lost all of his fat around his stomach. He has always looked quite fat in comparison to his opponents, but not anymore So, at least the fuzz about contador was worth something. Now everybody knows about the benefits of clenbutarol.
You don't need Clenbuterol to loose excess fat around the stomach. 35000 km on a bike a year will do that for you |
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| marble |
Posted on 18-02-2011 21:20
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ruben wrote:
I stay by my point that 47 seconds in 2km is amazing. Even on a 13% slope.
It doesn't happen much. And everyone (vino, fuglsang etc) was there at 2km to go.... so that means 2 MINUTES on 2km on Vino/Fuglsang.
I stilll think thats impressive, regardless of the fact that the nr 2 is Hagen or the nr 9 is Flecha, etc...
I can accept the fact that it's your opinion and that you find 47 seconds to Hagen impressive. But using Vino and Fuglsang, especially Fuglsang in this case is pretty much pointless. Fuglsang was the 3rd best Leopard rider finishing even behind Cancellara. He had no hope for any result and was obviously not the team captain. Vinokourov on the other hand, I can't really say anything about untill I've watched the final climb, but I'd be really surprised if he actually tried his best to not lose time.
I'd also assume that the fact that this is in February makes the time gaps not comparable to climbs during important stage races. Like how Leipheimer used to win Tour of California back when it was in February, not because he was amazing but because his form was a whole lot better. Some riders tend to be a lot worse when they're not in top shape as well, but there could be other reasons for that.
I think this discussion is quite pointless now though as we're obviously just having different opinions on what should be classified as impressive and not. Gesink rode well, I'm not denying that. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-02-2011 23:24
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Gesink is kick-ass rider..super Sastre style climber..great fighter..future ace. Ruben do not destroy that picture. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-02-2011 23:44
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rjc_43 wrote:
ruben, by the very fact that the best of the rest was indeed a guy who is reknown for his inability to climb doesn't make Gesink's win any more impressive than the fact that he won a stage. Well done Gesink, you won a stage over non-climbers. By 47 seconds no less. Congrats.
EDIT: And of course you fail to acknowledge the environmental conditions the race was raced in. Clearly it was extraordinarily warm, which favours the thin significantly. Someone like, say, Gesink.
There it is again, and you keep forgetting that there were also good climbers in the group, who simply failed (fuglsang, vino, monfort, vandevelde)
You're really good at discrediting some wins and hyping others |
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Posted on 19-02-2011 00:14
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Gesink out climbed Hagen, Cummings outclimbed Contador. I think we all know who is going to win this years Tour by 20 minutes on the basis of the day's results 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-02-2011 01:23
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ponka00 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
And secondly: EBH looks like he lost a LOT of weight. He has lost all of his fat around his stomach. He has always looked quite fat in comparison to his opponents, but not anymore So, at least the fuzz about contador was worth something. Now everybody knows about the benefits of clenbutarol.
You don't need Clenbuterol to loose excess fat around the stomach. 35000 km on a bike a year will do that for you
That's not what Lachi implied |
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| roturn |
Posted on 19-02-2011 08:56
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I agree with you Ruben that Gesink was strong yesterday. But just watched the race on Eurosport.
Vino already felt back with 4-5km to go. Fuglsang worked for Cancellara and Monfort the whole stage. So these two had no chance when riders like Flecha did still work. Also Vandevelde and Monfort can`t be in a good shape as they already had an advance to HAgen and were caught and overtaken later after a great solo effort by Hagen.
So Gesink did very well but Hagen was indeed the 2nd best climber, not just because of his placement but also because of his climbing skills yesterday. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 19-02-2011 12:06
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Kristin House won the first stage of the tour of SA after a long solo break, Charteu crashed out with a suspected broken collarbone
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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Posted on 19-02-2011 12:54
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Tour of Oman - Stage 5
| 1 Robert Gesink Rabobank | | 2 Giovanni Visconti Farnese Vini - Neri | | 3 Marco Pinotti HTC | | 4 Fabian Cancellara Leopard - Trek | | 5 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team Sky |
And yes. You were so right Ruben
Edit: Thanks. Of course stage 5
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| maiden166 |
Posted on 19-02-2011 12:55
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yess, fantastic for robert gesink
robert gesink !!!!!!!!
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Posted on 19-02-2011 12:55
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| Inferio |
Posted on 19-02-2011 12:57
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Incredible Robert! (btw. it was stage 5 ) |
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