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Tour de France '10 Stage 15 Pamiers - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-07-2010 02:26
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doddy13 wrote:
Contador has redeemed himself somewhat with that video in my eyes.
Addressing the situation head on.
Thumbs up.
Spot on in my eyes. I was really pissed off with Contador when it happened, because Sportsmanship matters a great deal to me. But if that is a genuine thing then good on him, and even if it isn't genuine, it is still an on-the-record acknowledgement that he was unsportsmanlike, and that takes balls.
So props to Contador.
My biggest regret is that everything has overshadowed Voeckler's win. He worked so damn hard on the stage to get that and then this had to happen  |
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| cogneto |
Posted on 20-07-2010 02:41
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What frustrates me most is not the fact that Contador chose to attack when his rival had a malfunction, but rather his refusal to admit he knew of the malfunction in the first place. For Contador to claim that he was "unaware" is a blatant lie and supports the fact that he knew his actions were unsportsmanlike.Unfair play or not? contador has tried numerous times to attack Schleck to no avail, clearly frustrated by this and the fact that Schleck made a great attack led this scared rider to do what he did!! Vinokourav!s comments would be interesting as he was the only one to react to Schlecks attack and immediately backed off when Schlecks chain popped!! Also, Menchov and Sanchez showed no signs of fair play in this instance either, they seemed to have escaped ridicule! All said and done the lines have been drawn leaving two sensational mountain climbs to come, Vive Le Tour I say
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 20-07-2010 09:47
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I've thought about this for a while and here's my opinion (for what it's worth)  ....
Chavanel dropped his chain on the final stage fo the 2009 Paris Nice, with about 15km to go. What did he do? Did he panic, like Schleck clearly did yesterday?
No, he calmly put his chain back on and got going again within a few seconds, caught back up to the group he was with and kept his place on the podium.
Now, I realise there were some significant differences between the two incidents, but the overriding thing for me is this:
If Andy Schleck had not panicked, he could have been back on his bike within 10-15 seconds, and not the 35 seconds it actually took him. If he had been back on his bike within 10-15 seconds, he would have probably caught Contador, Sanchez and Menchov.
So the moral of the story?
A professional should be able to cope with all aspects of bike riding, including what to do in a mechanical emergency! |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:04
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Your mistake is that this isn't Paris-Nice, this is the Tour de France.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:11
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doddy13 wrote:
Your mistake is that this isn't Paris-Nice, this is the Tour de France.
My point has nothing to do with the race, but the ability of a professional rider to fix a simple problem like a chain falling off. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:20
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The magnitude is totally different though, so the race does have something to do with it.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| koba |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:25
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A good article on the velonation.com
Tour de France: Alberto Contador vs Andy Schleck, to wait or not to wait?
https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/495...-wait.aspx |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:38
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Couldn't agree more with that article! |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:51
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To me, it misses a few points:
1. If you can't see a difference between a 100 rider crash on (unexpected) oily roads and crashes/punctures on a stage with cobblestones, you probably haven't watched much cycling.
2. I'm no expert on bikes - I never owned a racing bike - but blaming this entirely on Schleck seems wrong. As far as I've been told, he changes gears, but hits a rock / bump / stone, whatever in the road at the same time which is what causes the problem. |
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| pakio |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:58
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third stage: many cyclists fell down and the leaders decided to wait most of the cyclist because there was oil in the road and a lot of peolpe criticized the leaders to wait the schlecks because the fell down two times.
fourth stage: in the cobblestones frank fell down and only six cyclist can follow cancellara because of frank´s fall and at the end of the stage contador had a breakdown and lost 20 seconds with his group and more than a minute with schleck because of frank´s fall and nobody criticized andy because he didn´t wait anybody.
last stage: andy had a breakdown and he lost 30 seconds because contador didn´t wait him and now contador is the most unesportmanlike cyclist ever.
this is cyclism and the breakdowns are team fails or cyclist fails and it´s yout problem and i don´t think they have to wait anybody |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:01
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CrueTrue wrote:
To me, it misses a few points:
1. If you can't see a difference between a 100 rider crash on (unexpected) oily roads and crashes/punctures on a stage with cobblestones, you probably haven't watched much cycling.
2. I'm no expert on bikes - I never owned a racing bike - but blaming this entirely on Schleck seems wrong. As far as I've been told, he changes gears, but hits a rock / bump / stone, whatever in the road at the same time which is what causes the problem.
Agree with point 1, there was a big difference between the Spa stage and the cobbles stage.
As for point 2 though, I don't blame Schleck for the chain coming off, I've lost a chain plenty of times, some through my own stupidity, and other times just by accident. The point is though, that even I can get my chain back on faster than Andy Schleck did, and I'm just some bloke riding a bike! A professional, in any walk of life, should be able to deal with emergency situations without panicking - surely Schleck has lost a chain before?
Anyway, its done now, and the big shame is that we'll never know if Andy Schleck's attack would have worked! |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:07
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i was away yesterday but still managed to see the stage and here are my 2 cents worth, for what it's worth.
i think that contador did absolutely nothing wrong. it's bike racing. sometimes things go wrong and you have to deal with it. as some of the cyclists have pointed out, you can't just stop racing every time someone has a mechanical otherwise the stage would take twice as long.
you don't see the game stopping in other sports. in F1, if Lewis Hamilton brakes down the other cars don't stop until he's been repaired.
in football, if the defender falls over the then the striker does't stop and give him the ball back.
Firstly, Schleck started the attack. how can you attack everyone and then expect everyone to stop when you have a problem? to me that just seems laughable.
secondly, Contador had already started his attack when schleck had his problem. who's to say he wouldn't have passed and dropped Sckleck if he hadn't had a problem anyway?
also, after his initial attack i don't think that contador pushed on at any great speed. Menchov and Sanchez did all the work to the top of the mountain. What was Contador supposed to do, just let them ride away and ruin his own chances because of a mistake by Schleck?
It was just unfortunate for schleck. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:12
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Moving on to another polemics:
Roche, the team's best placed GC rider, flatted.
He asked Gadret for his wheel. Gadret replied, and I quote: "No. No, no." And attacked.
That's what self-invested dopeheads do, Nicholas. They think of no one else. When even chicken calls the guy a dopehead, you know he can't be a good seed.
Roche says he had to be restrained or he'd have attacked Gadret at the team hotel. That's a bit extreme, no?
Edited by issoisso on 20-07-2010 11:13
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:14
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issoisso wrote:
Moving on to another polemics:
Roche, the team's best placed GC rider, flatted.
He asked Gadret for his wheel. Gadret replied, and I quote: "No. No, no." And attacked.
That's what self-invested dopeheads do, Nicholas. They think of no one else. When even chicken calls the guy a dopehead, you know he can't be a good seed.
Roche says he had to be restrained or he'd have attacked Gadret at the team hotel. That's a bit extreme, no?
Stage 16 thread, we've been there.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| Meatyriding |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:43
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ringo182 wrote:
i think that contador did absolutely nothing wrong. it's bike racing. sometimes things go wrong and you have to deal with it. as some of the cyclists have pointed out, you can't just stop racing every time someone has a mechanical otherwise the stage would take twice as long.
You dont just stop the race for every mechanical, only when the yellow jersey has one! |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 20-07-2010 11:55
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Meatyriding wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
i think that contador did absolutely nothing wrong. it's bike racing. sometimes things go wrong and you have to deal with it. as some of the cyclists have pointed out, you can't just stop racing every time someone has a mechanical otherwise the stage would take twice as long.
You dont just stop the race for every mechanical, only when the yellow jersey has one!
so the yellow jersey makes you immune from attack? i know there is cycling etiquette and your not supposed to attack the yellow jersey when he's in trouble. but schleck started the attack. you can't attack everyone and then complain when they attack you back.
it also happened at a key part of the race. if it had happened at the bottom of the climb or 50k from the finish then contador would have waited. but not at a key part of the race.
what you're saying is that if on a flat stage the yellow jersey was to crash with 10k left, the whole peleton should stop and wait for him? thats not bike racing. |
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| H Tong Long |
Posted on 21-07-2010 19:32
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The bottom line is this.
If Valentino Rossi missed a gear change, in a Moto GP race and Danny Pedrosa overtook him; nobody'd even notice.
Schleck fumbled a gear change. plain and simple. He's paid a high price for it. But the prize which both he and Contador are tilting is the highest prize in cycle sport! |
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Posted on 21-07-2010 19:45
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H Tong Long wrote:
The bottom line is this.
If Valentino Rossi missed a gear change, in a Moto GP race and Danny Pedrosa overtook him; nobody'd even notice.
Schleck fumbled a gear change. plain and simple. He's paid a high price for it. But the prize which both he and Contador are tilting is the highest prize in cycle sport!
That actually works for me as an explanation.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2010 20:37
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I could (barely) understand waiting for riders who have fallen/suffered a mechanical due to external circumstances, like an stupid spectator causing a crash. Waiting for someone who dropped his chain it's stupid.
Also, if people want others to follow an unwritten law, to write it would be a good step. |
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| H Tong Long |
Posted on 22-07-2010 10:53
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kumazan wrote:
I could (barely) understand waiting for riders who have fallen/suffered a mechanical due to external circumstances, like an stupid spectator causing a crash. Waiting for someone who dropped his chain it's stupid.
Also, if people want others to follow an unwritten law, to write it would be a good step.
Well said.
An unwritten contracxt's not worth the paper it's written on! |
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