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| M3d3k |
Posted on 13-06-2010 21:09
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Really good race, but unfortunately there were not many top riders/climbers. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2010 07:02
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Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 14-06-2010 07:45
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maybe we hate them less.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-06-2010 07:48
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issoisso wrote:
Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
It is hypocritical but Horner and Van Garderen are likeable guys. Whereas Contador and Valverde are not. Similar to the public persona of Barry Bonds vs Mark McGuire
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2010 08:03
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
It is hypocritical but Horner and Van Garderen are likeable guys. Whereas Contador and Valverde are not. Similar to the public persona of Barry Bonds vs Mark McGuire
Thanks for proving my point of two weeks ago that people who only read anglophone cycling media tend to not see non-anglophones in a very good light.
Valverde is the nicest, friendliest guy in the peloton. But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you? Horner's not exactly liked by non-american former teammates (or even current teammates). But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you?
It's a double standard, pure and simple 
Edited by issoisso on 14-06-2010 08:06
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 08:09
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It annoyed me, but more because he dropped off very early from the lead, so after not bothering to help his team mate he then helps a fellow American, that said he isn't a proven doper so it doesn't fill me with rage like Valverde winning something does.
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 14-06-2010 08:45
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Guido Mukk wrote:
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Congrats Gianni. Well done. Looking forward to seeing you in Le Tour.
well done Jani..but he will be invisible man at tour 3rd, week
U all sure he'll do the tour?
In the interview after the stage he said something about holiday in summer in Alpe d'Huez and later on he wrote something about vuelta on his twitter. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 09:38
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mb2612 wrote:
It annoyed me, but more because he dropped off very early from the lead, so after not bothering to help his team mate he then helps a fellow American, that said he isn't a proven doper so it doesn't fill me with rage like Valverde winning something does.
Actually Horner has been caught back in the '90s as far as I remember.
@ABridgeTooFar: I wouldn't call Horner a likeable guy really, not from what I have seen of him. I don't know about Van Garderen and Valverde really, but Contador seems to me like a very nice guy.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-06-2010 09:45
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If I remember correctly, he hasn't been caught, but he spent a season in Saunier Duval, and that's an equivalent of a positive test |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 10:42
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issoisso wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
It is hypocritical but Horner and Van Garderen are likeable guys. Whereas Contador and Valverde are not. Similar to the public persona of Barry Bonds vs Mark McGuire
Thanks for proving my point of two weeks ago that people who only read anglophone cycling media tend to not see non-anglophones in a very good light.
Valverde is the nicest, friendliest guy in the peloton. But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you? Horner's not exactly liked by non-american former teammates (or even current teammates). But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you?
It's a double standard, pure and simple
It depends who you are, and what you want to see, hear and find out.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 14-06-2010 11:13
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Well when I saw it(Horner helping Van Gaarderen), I thought it seems a clear Radioshack against Contador thing. TVG was going well and was not that far from holding Contador off for second place - when I saw Horner drop back to help him up the last part of the climb like a Radioshack little effort to help TVG maintain that place. More likely Horner thought I will just help a young American out here.
I was half expected TVG to stick two fingers up at Horner but he was obviously knackered.
The whole race I felt we got a big Radioshack vs Astana thing, though I somehow think there will be more too it in the Tour (proper  )
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 14-06-2010 11:38
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rjc_43 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
It is hypocritical but Horner and Van Garderen are likeable guys. Whereas Contador and Valverde are not. Similar to the public persona of Barry Bonds vs Mark McGuire
Thanks for proving my point of two weeks ago that people who only read anglophone cycling media tend to not see non-anglophones in a very good light.
Valverde is the nicest, friendliest guy in the peloton. But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you? Horner's not exactly liked by non-american former teammates (or even current teammates). But you wouldn't know that from english language media, would you?
It's a double standard, pure and simple
It depends who you are, and what you want to see, hear and find out.
but to a certain extent you only read what's there and don't go trawling through other languages and magazines to find that out. Valverde is a proven doper (or if that's not enough proof, someone who fills his extracted blood with EPO) and that's fact.
Looking at it from my perspective, I didn't see it either time so I wasn't outraged either time. I know there are allegiances in the peloton, both of these apparently due to nationality, so it doesn't really surprise me, although these may have been a bit more obvious than usual.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 12:02
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Anglophone media = Biased towards Anglophone riders
Francophone media = Biased towards francophone riders
etc.
I don't have too much problems with Contador by the way, I sort of like him. I just don't like the way he dominates. Then again though i'm sure non-brits don't like Cavendish sprint domination.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 14-06-2010 12:19
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doddy13 wrote:
I don't have too much problems with Contador by the way, I sort of like him. I just don't like the way he dominates.
At least he's not Armstrong
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| hellboy |
Posted on 14-06-2010 13:56
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doddy13 wrote:
Then again though i'm sure non-brits don't like Cavendish sprint domination.
And i am sure that i like Cavendish sprint non-domination this season
Go Roman!
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 13:59
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hellboy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Then again though i'm sure non-brits don't like Cavendish sprint domination.
And i am sure that i like Cavendish sprint non-domination this season
Just wait until July...
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| hellboy |
Posted on 14-06-2010 14:02
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doddy13 wrote:
hellboy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Then again though i'm sure non-brits don't like Cavendish sprint domination.
And i am sure that i like Cavendish sprint non-domination this season
Just wait until July...
You mean that Martin-Rabon-Renshaw-Mr."i only sprint in last 300 metres" thing?
Go Roman!
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| MV |
Posted on 14-06-2010 16:38
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issoisso wrote:
Funny how no one has any problem with Horner working for Van Garderen on the Alpe.
When it was Contador and Valverde, everyone was up in arms.
issoisso wrote:
Thanks for proving my point of two weeks ago that people who only read anglophone cycling media tend to not see non-anglophones in a very good light.
Valverde is the nicest, friendliest guy in the peloton.
x2
And that come from almost all the riders in the peloton.
I can´t reamber a certain Smyd would day for him a day in june last year |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 14-06-2010 16:41
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issoisso wrote:
Thanks for proving my point of two weeks ago that people who only read anglophone cycling media tend to not see non-anglophones in a very good light.
Valverde is the nicest, friendliest guy in the peloton.
x3.
The anglophone cycling media sometimes aren't worth the name, they only care about the anglophones, not the other equally good riders in the peloton. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 14-06-2010 19:16
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hellboy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
hellboy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Then again though i'm sure non-brits don't like Cavendish sprint domination.
And i am sure that i like Cavendish sprint non-domination this season
Just wait until July...
You mean that Martin-Rabon-Renshaw-Mr."i only sprint in last 300 metres" thing?
this is invalid. it would be stupid to sprint beforehand. This applies to nearly evey sprinter, although admittedly some don't have lead out trains.
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