rjc_43 wrote:


As a roadie, I know what I'd prefer to watch any day.

ringo182 wrote:


but the vast majority of of eurosport viewers aren't roadies so they have to base their decission on what the majority will be more interested in. The majority will be casual watchers and so track cycling will be more interesting to them so they will get more viewers and therefore more sponsorship money.

at the end of the day it's all about profit.

also, it's not just me trying to make a point. others are trying to make a point against me with even less evidence then i have offered. and considering it's me vs everyone at the moment, if you had evidence i wouldn't have a chance in this debate i am using generalised evidence, but it's more then you are offering.

rjc_43 wrote:
Taking just a random sample from the internet, based on website views of Eurosport UK, we can clearly see the peak for visitors is July. When all the good sporting events are on, and when the TdF is streamed on live audio. I'm using this as evidence in a greater popularity of road racing over Track crap.

https://siteanalytics.compete.com/euro...?metric=uv

issoisso wrote:


I'm sorry, but saying "this is this way because I say so" is not evidence. Also, just because you don't like all the evidence that has been presented to you, does not discard it

issoisso wrote:


In other sports, there's basically not much difference between March and April, so I'd say we can compare those two months and make the analogy of the results to cycling

Now compare March (Track World Cup) versus April (Spring Classics)

ringo182 wrote:


i can't discard what i haven't seen. so far no-one has really offered any evidence that supports track being unpopular, viewing figures being higher for road races or anything else. i'm not saying this is the way because i say so. i'm saying this is the way because it's the way in other sports, as viewing figures for all world championships prove. why is cycling any different. my basic arguements are
1) because it's the world championships it will naturally generate more interest recieve more viewers then a normal cycling event. yes the big cycling events will recieve more interest amongst cycling fans. but alot of people will see it's the world champs and so watch it for that fact. the CI might be exiting, but it's not considered a big race.
2) it will attract more casual viewers who are more likely to watch track cycling then road cycling. as i've argued before, track cycling is more interesting to the casual viewer. can anyone offer evidence against this?

1+2(and other factors such as sponsorship and cost of rights)= the track WC was the easy choice over the CI (in my opinion). at the start people were saying the tv schedulers were stupid for picking the track champs. but in general it will generate more viewers.

and RJC thats the TdF. i've already stated that that is the only event in the whole sporting world that has more coverage then it's respective WC. i've accepted that already.

ringo182 wrote:
i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. there is no real concrete evidence to back either side of the debate. it's just personal opinion as to how important you think track is and then how much more important it becomes if it's the track WC's. personaly i think that because it's the world champs it will automatically generate more interest as it does in other sports WC's. i may be wrong but i don't see how cycling would be any different, no matter what the discipline.

schleck93 wrote:
Ringo when you said that Denmark cared about trackcycling I think you should get your facts straight NOONE IN DENMARK CARES ABOUT TRACK CYCLING it only gets airtime just before the olympics, when they use 1 minute of the news talking to the guys from team pursuit team or if Alex Rasmussen and Michael Mørkøv has won a 6-day race, when Matti got a bronze in WC in september htey used days to talk about it.

ringo182 wrote:


i haven't mentioned denmark in this whole debate. get your facts straight

rodda wrote:


Um can you offer any evidence for that??

Can you offer any evidence against my belief that there is an inhabited planet 2309232 light years from here? No? Well it must be correct then.

Besides what are you? some industry specialist on the mindset of the casual sports viewing demographic?

A lot of your claims seem irrational and are not making a lot of sense.

Evidence please.

Edit: okay wrote that before reading your last post. Fair enough. discussion fin.

Ruben wrote:
Also, when you said Belgium and Holland cared about track cycling.

THEY REALLY DO NOT CARE ONE BIT.

We had a little, and that's very little, interest when Theo Bos dominated the sprint in the pre-olympic years. But still, our national TV only showed highlights, and not much people watched that.

Yes the six-day events here are popular, BUT NOT ON TV, they barely show it, and noone watches it. The people who come to the track, are coming for the great atmosphere, the track racing itself is just an addition for them. And you'd better believe me, because I worked for the Six-Days of Amsterdam and Rotterdam. I've been there last year and this year to do work for them, and half the people in the audience don't even get what's going on at the track, but cheer anyway.

In Belgium it's more of less the same, I've spoken to Patrick Sercu, the 'godfather' of six-days nowadays, and even he thinks so. So what's makes you think a lot of dutch/belgian people will watch the track worlds?
I tell you, noone cares, and of the cycling fans here in Holland and Belgium, 99% will watch the E3 Prijs, Brabantse Pijl and Criterium International this weekend, rather than the Track worlds.