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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-06-2014 06:58
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Aquarius wrote:
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A story
Thanks for that, it was an interesting read. 
So basically you are saying the reason Contador was caught was because of a cock-up on his/the team's part in that he forgot/didn't realise that the clenbuterol was present when he extracted his blood in January? Meaning, ultimately, that the only way dopers can be caught under current measures is if they make a mistake somewhere along the line?
It's precisely that.
I was quite stunned when I read a statement, last Summer, by a former AFLD director, or Châtenay-Malabry director (I believe it was Pierre Bordy but I'm not sure), who claimed that if any team would hire him, he could grant them 0 positive at all, thanks to his knowledge of chemicals kinetics (how quickly products disappear). With that knowledge, and knowing they can't be controlled between 11 pm and 7 am, he would be able to dope riders to the eye balls and they'd never be caught.
Wasn't that Michael Ashenden or am I thinking of a similar thing he said?
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Posted on 10-06-2014 07:41
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Here is a source and video for Froome using the inhaler as well as the always lovely Michelle Cound chipping in:
https://www.lequip...eur/472446
I can't find any reference to him having asthma before today, can anyone provide a source for that? He apparently never mentions it in his book.
Assuming that the slightly purplish colour is not just my eyes tricking me and assuming it is the same one that I use it isn't for salbutamol (clearly the most useful drug for a cyclist as it quickly increases lung capacity), which comes in a grey-ish container here, but that also means it isn't the sort of thing that you would take mid-race as it is more of a preventative. The ingredients on my one which look the same are Salmeterol and Fluticasone Propionate. I don't know what either of those do but if anyone knows, please feel free to mention.
EDIT: Nevermind I did just find a reference to him having asthma - he dropped out of USA Pro Challenge last year due to it. https://www.busine...013-8?op=1
EDIT 2: This report is far less clear, however - https://www.thegua...ge-illness
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-06-2014 09:58
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Not a single mention of Asthma in his freaking autobiography The Climb?! Froome is really just making this sorta stuff up as he goes along. 
Great posts there Aquarius!
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 10-06-2014 10:03
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So Froome.exe uses inhaler during the race, there's the little nugget. |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 10-06-2014 11:52
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The British introduce doping in competetive cycling, then later experience the first death in TDF due to doping and now they're back with another shift with in-race doping. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:03
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If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner? |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:17
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bilharzia, astma, and still destroying everyone
then there's quintana who was sick the entire giro and still won easily
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:17
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bilharzia, astma, and still destroying everyone
then there's quintana who was sick the entire giro and still won easily
miracles everywhere |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:18
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TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory. And no one needs to talk about Horner, because quite frankly it was the most flagrant and obvious use of doping in the past several years.
As for Quintana, he has been called on things in the past, but his performances are less impressive in pure W/kg terms than Froome's are, for the most part.
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:23
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Iguwell wrote:
The British introduce doping in competetive cycling, then later experience the first death in TDF due to doping and now they're back with another shift with in-race doping.
Have I missed something? |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:23
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CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory.
Ofcourse, maybe a bad example.
Quintana's performances are just as impressive to me. 2nd in Tour and winner of the Giro at 23 years old...
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:29
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TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory.
Ofcourse, maybe a bad example.
Quintana's performances are just as impressive to me. 2nd in Tour and winner of the Giro at 23 years old...
Age has little to do with it, most of the best riders in history won the TDF on their first attempt.
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:29
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TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory.
Ofcourse, maybe a bad example.
Quintana's performances are just as impressive to me. 2nd in Tour and winner of the Giro at 23 years old...
Quintana looks natural to me, Froome.exe doesn't. Quintana doesn't sprint up the mountains, Froome.exe does. |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:32
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CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory.
Ofcourse, maybe a bad example.
Quintana's performances are just as impressive to me. 2nd in Tour and winner of the Giro at 23 years old...
Age has little to do with it, most of the best riders in history won the TDF on their first attempt.
I think it has a lot to do with it, being so good, so young is really impressive and not normal. And the first attempt thing is not anymore the case in this day and age. |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:35
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TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
If everyone is saying Froome is doped, why not say that Quintana is doped aswell? or Horner?
You clearly weren't here during the Vuelta victory.
Ofcourse, maybe a bad example.
Quintana's performances are just as impressive to me. 2nd in Tour and winner of the Giro at 23 years old...
Age has little to do with it, most of the best riders in history won the TDF on their first attempt.
I think it has a lot to do with it, being so good, so young is really impressive and not normal. And the first attempt thing is not anymore the case in this day and age.
It is still relevant because the first attempt thing was in the days before EPO, so it is a sign of what is possible with a (relatively) normal human capacity at that age. It is only with the introduction of EPO that older cyclists were able to extend their careers and to overcome those who may have been naturally better than them but perhaps had a higher natural haematocrit count and thus would gain less benefit from EPO.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:37
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True, but a rider is still at his best around 27-32. It's changing a bit with all these youngsters the last years though. I still find it almost just as abnormal as Froome's riding. |
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Posted on 10-06-2014 12:42
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TimoCycling wrote:
True, but a rider is still at his best around 27-32. It's changing a bit with all these youngsters the last years though. I still find it almost just as abnormal as Froome's riding.
Only because of EPO. Look at Merckx and Hinault, both retired at 32/33. Only with the kind of doping that occurred in the 90s did top riders last longer. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:44
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TimoCycling wrote:
True, but a rider is still at his best around 27-32. It's changing a bit with all these youngsters the last years though. I still find it almost just as abnormal as Froome's riding.
Again the 32 thing is only recently. 27 is a rider's physical peak in most cases, but everyone is different. Just look at Sagan, he has clearly hit his physical peak at a much younger age than most. Or if you want an extreme example of people getting worse with age, Merckx was slowing down in '74, at age 29.
Edit: Sort-of Zabel'd.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:45
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TimoCycling wrote:
True, but a rider is still at his best around 27-32.
Simply untrue. Most of the riders gets in peak form around 24-27 y/o. Search a bit throught the results of past few years (even before 00's) and you'll get what I am talking.
Double Zabel'd. How nice.
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 10-06-2014 12:58
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No matter in which age you'll peak and which sport youre compieting in, it require talent to be the best. Physichally and mentally talent.
Froome came out of nowhere!? And he was almost invisible on the Barloworld Team. Last TDF he destroyed all the biggest stars.. That is simply not possible and I'll never earn respect for him..
Quintana got real talent and are borned in the mountains. He used to bicycle 20 K uphill everyday to school as a kid
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