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| fickman |
Posted on 17-03-2014 23:20
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Any Idea who is gonna be Team Leader at Giro for Trek? I suppose The Schlecks are going to be Leaeders at Tour. Would be interesting to see what Arredondo could be capable of at a Grand Tour. |
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Posted on 18-03-2014 06:58
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fickman wrote:
Any Idea who is gonna be Team Leader at Giro for Trek? I suppose The Schlecks are going to be Leaeders at Tour. Would be interesting to see what Arredondo could be capable of at a Grand Tour.
I would have thought Kiserlovski, but maybe Zubeldia? Arrendondo isn't 'experienced' enough for Trek yet; remember 11 of the 28 on the team are 30 or over.
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Posted on 18-03-2014 07:02
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fickman wrote:
Any Idea who is gonna be Team Leader at Giro for Trek? I suppose The Schlecks are going to be Leaeders at Tour. Would be interesting to see what Arredondo could be capable of at a Grand Tour.
Schlecks at the Giro? 
PCStats have both Kiserlovski and Arredondo listed as starters, so I'm guessing those two will be co-captains
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Posted on 18-03-2014 07:08
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Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.  
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
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Ian Butler wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Is there anyone who can keep Sagan away the next years? When it continues this way I see him breaking Zabel's record with most green jerseys in the TDF ever.
This could definitely happen.
However, I don't see him dominating cycling in any way.
He has a grand future ahead of him, certainly, but there is a lot of talent out there and it is very unlikely we'll see a single man dominate cycling any time soon
But for the Green Jersey, yeah 
We should define domination, because of course nobody will win TdF, Roubaix and L-bL in one year in modern cycling...
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| kubys |
Posted on 18-03-2014 08:00
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
Nobody said that Kwiatek is better sprinter... And that climbing thing, wtf? He just had day off, I don't see how you can yo comparing them on that performance.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-03-2014 08:03
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Is there anyone who can keep Sagan away the next years? When it continues this way I see him breaking Zabel's record with most green jerseys in the TDF ever.
This could definitely happen.
However, I don't see him dominating cycling in any way.
He has a grand future ahead of him, certainly, but there is a lot of talent out there and it is very unlikely we'll see a single man dominate cycling any time soon
But for the Green Jersey, yeah
We should define domination, because of course nobody will win TdF, Roubaix and L-bL in one year in modern cycling...
Exactly my point 
But even in Sagan's strong races. Cycling just isn't that easy that the best one wins every year. It seems unavoidable that Sagan will win Milan - San Remo, for example, or the WC. But it could also happen that he never wins either, depending on circumstances, injuries, race tactics, off days...
But of course I agree Sagan has an amazing palmares already and will only add to that. And if he keeps it up he will be the best cyclist for a few years to come, but not in the way that we will already know the winner before the race starts |
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Posted on 18-03-2014 08:21
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kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
Nobody said that Kwiatek is better sprinter... And that climbing thing, wtf? He just had day off, I don't see how you can yo comparing them on that performance. Well, i said that because forum was full of people who have seen Kwiatek already as the winner of Tirreno, while he was outclimbed by many (for example Sagan) in his "day off". That was day off on purpose, or he is in fact far from climber?
I hope your state of mind would get better, if you were not jumping all over me everytime i wrote certain name.
@Ian:I agree, i think there is no race that have guaranteed winner in modern cycling, maybe bar Tour this year and even there Froome can crash out or something like that. But i would bet on Sagan in MSR right now, hopefully it will not be bus sigthseeing tour this year, with someone who would hardly be there in proper race denying him.
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| kubys |
Posted on 18-03-2014 09:07
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
Nobody said that Kwiatek is better sprinter... And that climbing thing, wtf? He just had day off, I don't see how you can yo comparing them on that performance. Well, i said that because forum was full of people who have seen Kwiatek already as the winner of Tirreno, while he was outclimbed by many (for example Sagan) in his "day off". That was day off on purpose, or he is in fact far from climber?
I hope your state of mind would get better, if you were not jumping all over me everytime i wrote certain name.
@Ian:I agree, i think there is no race that have guaranteed winner in modern cycling, maybe bar Tour this year and even there Froome can crash out or something like that. But i would bet on Sagan in MSR right now, hopefully it will not be bus sigthseeing tour this year, with someone who would hardly be there in proper race denying him.
But I think you missed the point. Nobody said that Sagan is bad or hyped (even though in some cases yes, but that's same for more riders). People just said that he isn't TOP TOP TOP in one certain thing, cause his main strength is in versatility. It have nothing to do with Kwiatek, he can have same problem because he is too good in too many ways and then you came with that terrible comparsion...
And you described yourself in the last paragraph towards me, didn't you?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-03-2014 09:20
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And once again you misunderstood me, or my intention in that former post. Despite coming from same country, it seems that we cant get what the other is trying to say. So i will try not to react next time, but that is hard when you react every time i write Sagan
I got what the other ment, but i dont agree. I think versatility is way to "dominate", not specialization. Rider who can win mountain stage at Tour de Suisse in same year he win cobble races, is much more interesting to me than 7 TdF wins in the row,as he can also rack 20+ victories thanks to that.
Being good in only one thing is boring for me. That is why i like both Sagan and Kwiatek as the riders
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-03-2014 09:41
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
what? i never mentioned sagan in my post. it was a general observation about talents and good riders that were said to dominate the sport in the coming years.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-03-2014 09:51
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Shonak wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
what? i never mentioned sagan in my post. it was a general observation about talents and good riders that were said to dominate the sport in the coming years.
I used your post only as reffernece to whole discussion, sorry if you feel offended by such a tragedy that happened to you when i linked your post.
Guys are also having their periods now? I thought that is reserved for "prettier half" of population.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-03-2014 10:01
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
What, Kwiatkowski? We're past him. Slagter is the next big thing.
I do agree with you fully though. Things change awfully fast in cycling in the last couple of years. Basically since Armstrong retired there's been lots of change and turmoil. Quick starts, unfulfilled potential and promises. Lots of Hype. Coming and going and ultimately a fair share of disappointment. This speaks for the sport honestly. It's tough to predict the future (yes, even with Team Sky looming on the horizon)
So Sagan is hype and disappointment now? Guys i cant stop laught at you, boy has in his 23years more wins than 99% of cyclists will ever achieve (57 professional wins) and he is still learning to ride on some terrains. Kwiatek beats him on Strade- Bianchi, than has no chance at Tirreno, even being outclimbed on mountains by Sagan and days of Peter are suddenly going to its end in mouths of many?
what? i never mentioned sagan in my post. it was a general observation about talents and good riders that were said to dominate the sport in the coming years.
I used your post only as reffernece to whole discussion, sorry if you feel offended by such a tragedy that happened to you when i linked your post.
Guys are also having their periods now? I thought that is reserved for "prettier half" of population.
You don't think I'm pretty? 
Also, this discussion is going nowhere. There are always rising stars who fail to deliver (I'm thinking Popovych), but clearly Sagan is a different category. |
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| kubys |
Posted on 18-03-2014 10:23
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Right, so who's for today? It's short ITT, so I think that Panzerwagen isn't the undisputed favourite there. Malori, Kwiato, Dowsett, Contador even Sagan can beat him imo. Don't know what to expect from Cancellara.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-03-2014 10:34
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I agree Ian (i am yet to see you in person to rate your pretiness)
Little bit of fun on Tuesday cant kill someone,right? (actually i am almost killed already by man-game transfer season, so if i am saying bigger trash than usually, blame transfers!).
I would say those names you mentioned Kubys should be in top10 for sure, with Sagan it depends how technical course is. Maybe i would add Kreuziger to that list as he is always very good in short TTs and 1-2 from Saxo is still posssible, so he should go for it.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-03-2014 10:40
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I hope Tom Dumoulin can put in a good effort today.
Hard to predict a winner today, is 10k enough for Martin to conquer? I'm not sure, think it's too short, but Martin will go all the way and who can beat him then, at any length?
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 18-03-2014 10:52
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Several cyclists this year..
https://www.procyc...e_3_Sagres
https://www.procyc...ge_1_Dubai |
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Posted on 18-03-2014 11:01
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Well, that's right, but you must add, that he was out of shape because during off-season he underwent a surgery, which definitely affected his preparation + yesterday he was definitely saving some energy.
It will be very interesting.
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Posted on 18-03-2014 11:17
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kubys wrote:
Right, so who's for today? It's short ITT, so I think that Panzerwagen isn't the undisputed favourite there. Malori, Kwiato, Dowsett, Contador even Sagan can beat him imo. Don't know what to expect from Cancellara.
I'm really curious to see how Contador performs. I wonder if his current form will also improve his TT skill ( which he seemed to have "lost" last year). |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-03-2014 11:46
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
I'm really curious to see how Contador performs. I wonder if his current form will also improve his TT skill ( which he seemed to have "lost" last year).
It might be interesting to see how Contador goes but suspect it will be a restrained performance given he has such a lead. Shame it isn't closer so we can take a look with GC on the line.
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