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| stenic |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:47
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i feel sorry for the riders on the women's team, they're suffering for something that has nothing to do with them, i hope they find a new sponsor soon enough to be able to race next season. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:48
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The end of an era, Rabobank stopping. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:50
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now interested to see who else pulls out of the sport....
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:52
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I feel bad for Nordhaug... I wonder what's going to happen to him now. He's had a fantastic season and this was supposed to be his "big break" so to speak, atleast financial wise.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:55
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TheManxMissile wrote:
now interested to see who else pulls out of the sport....
Off the top of my head the only sponsors that could potentially pull out based on this are Radioshack, for quite obvious reasons. If they were going to do that, however, they probably would have already.
Edited by CountArach on 19-10-2012 11:55
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| Flair |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:57
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Its not a provlem for the riders really. All it means is next season they have an unbranded jersey. Tthe money will still be there until the end of the contract period. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-10-2012 11:59
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i meant not so much team sponsors but those who sponsor races and the UCI
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:00
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TheManxMissile wrote:
i meant not so much team sponsors but those who sponsor races and the UCI
I can't imagine that the sport will lose too many sponsors in that regard. Amgen is one that leaps to mind as a possible loss but for the most part these sponsors are in multi-year contracts and sponsoring races isn't the same as sponsoring teams.
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| KirillW |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:01
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CountArach wrote:
KirillW wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Wait....
Rabo stop sponsoring the mens and womesn team because of the image of cycling in relation to doping... but keep sponsoring MTB which is much worse?
christ...
Their investment there compared to the road teams would be miniscule. Assuming even reasonable levels their mens and women's teams probably cost 12-13 million combined (just guessing, I'd be interested if anyone knew the exact figures). The MTB team probably costs under a million and because it is followed less and definitely has a much lower media profile so any doping suspensions there are far less likely to harm the brand.
Actually it's 15 million euro's.
Interesting. Do you have a source for that, because I'd like to read it? I was just going off ~11 million for a strong men's team and ~1 million for a women's team.
Can you read Dutch? Rabobank does not only sponsor the pro cycling teams, but also the continental team and the off-road team. Also Rabobank is sponsoring the KNWU. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:02
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KirillW wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
KirillW wrote:
If Rabobank thinks that cycling is not a pure and honest sport, they should have stopped sponsoring 10 years ago. Now the young guys are getting punished for something they don't know anything about. Like Lars Boom, Robert Gesink and Bauke Mollema
I would not be so optimistic that doping is the thing of the past, we have still riders caught and still many strange results also these days.
Well I can guaranty you that these guys do it clean, or at least.... This is the new generation
If you are not one of these riders personally, you cant. 
If you are, welcome and good luck in the next season. 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:03
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I believe the new generation tries to do it without. There are bad apples, but I think many are clean. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:05
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KirillW wrote:
CountArach wrote:
KirillW wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Wait....
Rabo stop sponsoring the mens and womesn team because of the image of cycling in relation to doping... but keep sponsoring MTB which is much worse?
christ...
Their investment there compared to the road teams would be miniscule. Assuming even reasonable levels their mens and women's teams probably cost 12-13 million combined (just guessing, I'd be interested if anyone knew the exact figures). The MTB team probably costs under a million and because it is followed less and definitely has a much lower media profile so any doping suspensions there are far less likely to harm the brand.
Actually it's 15 million euro's.
Interesting. Do you have a source for that, because I'd like to read it? I was just going off ~11 million for a strong men's team and ~1 million for a women's team.
Can you read Dutch? Rabobank does not only sponsor the pro cycling teams, but also the continental team and the off-road team. Also Rabobank is sponsoring the KNWU.
Nope but I can run it through google translate.
Yeah but those teams are generally pretty cheap. The Continental team will probably amount to a million max and less for the off-road.
As for sponsoring races, etc I don't know if they will stop that altogether, the statement seems to imply that it will only be the team sponsorships which stop.
Edited by CountArach on 19-10-2012 12:06
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:06
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We can say they do it less - how much less and how many fewer is a much more difficult question.
Edited by wackojackohighcliffe on 19-10-2012 12:07
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:27
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I guess 3 Dutch teams in WT was never supposed to be... 
According to a radio interview with Harold Knebel I just heard the team is going to remain and it will be run from a foundation as governing body. They have talked to crew, riders and managers and everyone seems to be up for trying to restart the team with a new sponsor.
Also, Marianne Vos says on Dutch radio that Rabo agreed to continue sponsoring for her/her womans cycling team (can't remember what was said). |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:28
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stenic wrote:
i feel sorry for the riders on the women's team, they're suffering for something that has nothing to do with them, i hope they find a new sponsor soon enough to be able to race next season.
Well, good thing that the funding doesn't disappear - just the name on the shirt.
Considering they made this move to avoid being connected with doping I expect that they have taken a look at Marianne Vos' palmares and feared she would be next.
Not saying Vos is doped, just that if you suspect there's doping in the Rabobank system, you might quickly be lead to suspecting a dominant Rabobank womens cyclist to have learned something from the men...
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Also, Marianne Vos says on Dutch radio that Rabo agreed to continue sponsoring for her/her womans cycling team (can't remember what was said).
Not just upholding the contract as on the mens team?
Edited by Atlantius on 19-10-2012 12:29
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:34
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KirillW wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
KirillW wrote:
If Rabobank thinks that cycling is not a pure and honest sport, they should have stopped sponsoring 10 years ago. Now the young guys are getting punished for something they don't know anything about. Like Lars Boom, Robert Gesink and Bauke Mollema
I would not be so optimistic that doping is the thing of the past, we have still riders caught and still many strange results also these days.
Well I can guaranty you that these guys do it clean, or at least.... This is the new generation
That's what I'd like to think, and I don't know anything about those three guys in particular, but seen from here, it's not really something from the past. I'd say the U25 nowadays are probably worst than those who're in their early 30's now when they were 25.
Plus all those people who've helped doping in the past are still around, so why would it change, seriously ?
Edited by Aquarius on 19-10-2012 12:36
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-10-2012 12:45
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Very, very disappointing news to wake up to.
Frankly, there has been a disconnect these last few years between what we've been hearing the benefits of sponsoring a team are and the difficulties many squads have in finding sponsors. When you hear about AG2R calculating their ROI at 8x, or Stapleton throwing out numbers for Columbia in that 7-10x range, it makes you wonder why teams aren't having firms lining up outside the door whenever they need a sponsor...
For Rabobank, a company that has done everything and anything to make it synonymous with cycling, both within the Netherlands and without, pulling out of the sport is shocking. I really think these next 1-3 years are going to be similar. As constantly as we hear about teams having a hard time getting sponsored, I think the fallout from this era (which the Lance accusations will be the apex of) is really going to hurt corporate sponsorship even more in the short term.
With that said, it is a period that the sport is going to have to go through. It sucks that cycling pays for actually trying to be clean, instead of acting blind, but, oh well...
Edited by Deadpool on 19-10-2012 12:46
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| kumazan |
Posted on 19-10-2012 13:00
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Sad news, but not really that shocking. Rabobank has been through a lot of crap since the Rasmussen affair, I'd say they've put up with much more than I would if I was sponsoring a cycling team.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-10-2012 13:00
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The UCI have issued a statement on the matter, putting the blame on the fans and the audience for focusing too much on doping.
Not surprising from those retards... |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-10-2012 13:05
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Last year HTC, this year Rabobank. My 2 favorites teams...
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