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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 19-11-2010 13:21
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Might just be me, but I dont see how you can prove that Contador did not eat contaminated meat by testing alot of cows, when the cow in question has been dead for quite a while now  |
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| H Tong Long |
Posted on 19-11-2010 13:50
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Well. There is something called, "The presumption of innocence". The Prosecution MUST prove its case.
What's of more interest today is that the F.B.I. are going to investigate Armstrong - within the context of the Landis trial. They've issued a subpoena for the relevant data, to the French government.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-11-2010 13:51
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Ennyzor: It really does not matter. The pure existance of that substance is considered doping. Also the athletes are responsible for all substances found in their body.
The rest is just politics. As you might know the spaniards rather have a winner then a doper so they tend to ignore the facts (Fuentes, Valverde, ...). So if the whole world "knows" that the butcher never has sold any bad meat and no cow in Europe ever has been doped, it puts more pressure on them to ban him.
BTW: Other riders have been banned for the very same substance and similar amounts. Nobody ever discussed their case (except them and their attourneys). The difference here is the name of the country, the rider and the race.
Edited by Lachi on 19-11-2010 13:54
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| H Tong Long |
Posted on 19-11-2010 14:00
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Of cpourse it matters! You won't make much of a lawyer, I'm afraid.
I very much doubt that, in the forty years that I've been following pro cycling, there are more than ten per cent who have not doped. It's ALWAYS been a part of professional sport. Of all sorts.
Unfortunately, those with a penchant for the "Chariots of Fire", anglophone way of doing things have trouble grasping this. No wonder that our influence in the World is diminishing rapidly. It's the sporting equivalent of real-politik! |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 19-11-2010 14:38
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Ennyzor wrote:
Might just be me, but I dont see how you can prove that Contador did not eat contaminated meat by testing alot of cows, when the cow in question has been dead for quite a while now
You can't prove it wasn't inserted into him by the supposedly magical zombie jew, if he offered that as his defence.
You can, however, show how unlikely something is.
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| Fus87 |
Posted on 19-11-2010 14:45
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Lachi wrote:
BTW: Other riders have been banned for the very same substance and similar amounts. Nobody ever discussed their case (except them and their attourneys). The difference here is the name of the country, the rider and the race.
Exactly.
Alessandro Colò was tested positive on clenbuterol during the Vuelta a Mexico, and used the same defence. He was suspended for 1 year only as the CONI recognized the higher probability of eating contaminated meat in Mexico than in Europe (based on results from tested meat).
Fuyu Li even got a 2-year suspension, even though Chinese meat has one of the highest clenbuterol levels on the world.
So, even if Contador's claim was believed, it's far from meaning he'll be cleared. And if he is (as the Spanish look into the case right now), UCI & WADA will probably appeal it. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-11-2010 15:21
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H Tong Long wrote:
Of cpourse it matters! You won't make much of a lawyer, I'm afraid.
I very much doubt that, in the forty years that I've been following pro cycling, there are more than ten per cent who have not doped. It's ALWAYS been a part of professional sport. Of all sorts.
Unfortunately, those with a penchant for the "Chariots of Fire", anglophone way of doing things have trouble grasping this. No wonder that our influence in the World is diminishing rapidly. It's the sporting equivalent of real-politik!
Let's get the facts straight, please.
Contador has been tested positive for a banned substance - both the A and B samples have proven this.
This means that he should get a 2 year suspension.
Alright, so far, so good.
Contador comes along with a story about some contaminated meat - but due to the positive test, it's up to him to prove his innocence, not the other way around.
And even if he's telling the truth, he's not very likely to get away. As an athlete, you're responsible for what's ending up in your body, like it or not. He may get his ban reduced, though.
Either way - when I say that Contador is/was doped, I'm not presuming - I know. So does the authorities as they have positive test samples.
Edited by CrueTrue on 19-11-2010 17:49
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 19-11-2010 17:34
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A and B samples are tested on different days aren't they. Both comeback positive, looked fairly well racing up the Tourmalet for someone who ate poisoned meat the day before, surely it will upset the stomach.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-11-2010 17:37
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Ste117 wrote:
A and B samples are tested on different days aren't they. Both comeback positive, looked fairly well racing up the Tourmalet for someone who ate poisoned meat the day before, surely it will upset the stomach.
You ~##~# me.
A and B samples are the same sample, split into two basically. Or it's like pissing into two pots on the same tank of juice.
Contaminated meat does not mean it is "gone off" or contains bad bacteria - the cause of an upset stomach. It means it contains something it doesn't.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 19-11-2010 17:42
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CrueTrue summed it up very well. Also, the meat is not considered poisoned. It is considered tainted. The amount of clenbuterol found in Contador's blood is not enough to be considered performance enhancing. However, any amount found in the blood is enough to warrant a ban.
So, Contador must show that it was an accidental doping and not intentional. He will still be banned for an accidental doping but it will be a reduced sentence. I also understand that he will be removed as the winner of the TdF regardless of the outcome of his hearing.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 19-11-2010 17:53
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Well sorry for not knowing, which is why I wrote the post.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-12-2010 15:37
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UCI says that they won't finish the Contador case before 2011.
In the same interview, McQuaid says that they're looking into the possibility of giving shorter bans for "light" products such as Ventolin while heavy stuff, e.g. EPO, should give lengthy bans (four years). |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-01-2011 15:56
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Sources say that the verdict may not happen until February.
As long as he's not allowed to ride in the mean time, I don't care  |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 10-01-2011 15:12
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This years TDF will be brilliant and close Without Contador. A throw back to 2008 when it was close with Sastre and Evans.
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| redlion1987 |
Posted on 10-01-2011 15:46
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Ste117 wrote:
This years TDF will be brilliant and close Without Contador. A throw back to 2008 when it was close with Sastre and Evans.
A what about Andy Schleck?  without Contador, we will have a total domination of Schleck... |
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-01-2011 15:49
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But Menchov or Sanchez will gain time on time in the timetrial. Also I don`t know if Andy can attack and solo ride to the top to the right time.
Will be interesting to watch. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 10-01-2011 19:33
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Schleck is still relatively young, maybe inexperience and pressure of winning a TDF going into the final TT might pay for him, thts where the other contenders like Menchov, Evans and Sanchez will use their experience.
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| shin0da_13 |
Posted on 10-01-2011 20:22
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He reached the final TT in 2010 with the thought of winning the Tour so i don't agree with your opinion on Andy's inexperience. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 10-01-2011 20:33
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Naw, Andy's weakness is not his experience or pressure. Im pretty sure its not mental at all.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-01-2011 20:36
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Nah, without Contador Schleck II should win the Tour easily. There's no one even close to him, unless someone gives a huge step forward this year. But the only GC rider in age of improving significantly is Gesink, so yeah. |
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