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wogsrus
sutty68 wrote:
wogsrus wrote:
Got my bike back today. Wouldn't mind getting a consistent run on it for a change....


Check the weather forecast and then get out and enjoy the open road Smile
Wish l had read this before l went out.

First ride back was fun, absolutely drenched, but fun to get back on the bike.
 
sutty68
wogsrus wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
wogsrus wrote:
Got my bike back today. Wouldn't mind getting a consistent run on it for a change....


Check the weather forecast and then get out and enjoy the open road Smile
Wish l had read this before l went out.

First ride back was fun, absolutely drenched, but fun to get back on the bike.


I always enjoyed myself better if it was raining Wink
 
Malkael
Shonak wrote:
As for interval training; Not much experience with low cadence, however 3x15min sounds to me like it isn't much interval training actually and denies a bit the purpose of intervals. Even with low cadence I imagine it's best to make shorter intervals but actually end up with more and make them tougher?


Don't mind me, just dropping one heck of a long post, so I decided to spoil it to save the forum's page length.
Spoiler
Time to break out some of my sport science literature[1] and what sport science knowledge I've learned so far and try to apply it practically.

Training specifically for strength alone, which is different to power, is at the opposite end of the spectrum to training for endurance. The most important factor in strength training is the intensity of the muscular contractions and not the number of sets and repetitions. Intensity is the amount of weight lifted during the strength training and is affected by a number of variables, but for the sakes of simplicity lets keep it to resistance (weight) loading for now.

In advanced to elite athletes, assuming a constant load\repetition set structure, studies have shown that athletes achieve maximal strength gains by lifting around 80-85% and beyond of their one repetition max (1RM) for up to 6-15 repetitions per set. For anyone unclear what 1RM means, it is the maximum weight you can lift in one repetition of the exercise being performed (e.g. one squat). My prac tutor capped the repetitions per set at six, but the theory-work says that the maximum number of repetitions that can be performed varies due to several factors; such as fibre type composition, the exercise performed and muscle mass involvement.

It is important when training for strength to remember that it is universally recommended to have a rest period of at least, as a minimum, three minutes to allow the ATP and CP energy stores within the worked muscles to replenish, as maximal strength or power development cannot occur with fatigued muscles due to inhibited recruitment of muscle fibres. This is contrary to how one would typically train to improve lactic acid tolerance, where the rest period between sets or intervals can be as short as 30 seconds and gives the muscles little time to replenish their energy stores and remove lactic acid. (This leads to a build up of lactic acid obviously)

I have got my own opinions on what might work best if Cactus-Jack is above being a beginner or intermediate trained individual, as the advice spoken of so far reads as being rather cycling specific Strength-Endurance training, but strength gains are achievable outside of targeted strength training if you are not an advanced to elite trained athlete. Which leads in to my next point, that applying the theory to the bike outside on the road is liable to be less optimal than using a turbo trainer due to the inability to precisely set the resistance, unless you know a road with the perfect steady gradient of just the right length of course.

Since Cactus-Jack is a runner and there is a buzz around tailoring workouts to mimic sport specific movements I would personally say that riding out of the saddle is closer biomechanically to running than riding seated and therefore more beneficial to running, but someone more qualified may disagree with that.

Hard to give a detailed answer without more detailed athlete information, although if you want a generalist rule there is an inverse relationship between the amount of weight lifted and the number of reps performed.

In my opinion theoretically aim for short, sharp, very intense bursts of effort at a high resistance akin to a sprint followed by recovery during the reset phase down to the bottom of the climb in between; should fatigued set in and you are just interested in strength and not strength-endurance benefits do the full 3+ minutes of rest required. How many repetitions to complete? Well without knowing the value of the 1RM just go 100% all out and make it a one rep set... Pfft

Due to the high intensity keep the set volume low, probably start at around five or six sets at a maximum to be on the cautious side, per workout as there is also an inverse relationship between intensity and training volume such that high intensity phases coincide with lower volume periods.

[1]Ackland, T. Elliott, B. and Bloomfield, J. (2009). Applied anatomy and biomechanics in sport. Champaign, IL: Human Kinetics.

Edited by Malkael on 03-05-2015 20:23
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Shonak
Great and very informative read Malkael.


In my opinion theoretically aim for short, sharp, very intense bursts of effort at a high resistance akin to a sprint followed by recovery during the reset phase down to the bottom of the climb in between; should fatigued set in and you are just interested in strength and not strength-endurance benefits do the full 3+ minutes of rest required. How many repetitions to complete? Well without knowing the value of the 1RM just go 100% all out and make it a one rep set..

That pretty much sounds like his best option is to visit a spinning class and do basic or advanced interval training. Not sure about them norwegian fitness studios but they should also provide strength training sessions, which is probably even better for cactuc-jack in that regard.

Honestly, I can't imagine the road being as effective as a fitness studio because repetition is where they are really good at in that regard. and that really is awful to say because god is my judge I love the road.
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Shonak
So, April was a good month for cycling for me but May is pretty stuffed with papers and I'll need to fit it in there somewhere. It's sorta obligatory drop in riding I'm used to by now. Instead I strapped on them running shoes and decided to spice up my running routine a bit. I've always run a long route back in Tyrol but in Vienna I started doing laps, which is not my thing at all because dunno, it sorta makes running a dull affair. So, eventually I think I have now found a good enough route to make it fun and diverse.

Anyhoo. I went for a swim last night and think about doing it once or twice per week after work. Luckily there's a swim hall right down the street so that's a bit of a reason why I (want to) start. It's a good additional workout, however I havn't done any serious swimming in over 10 years. Pretty awkward when I suddenly got the spasm. Stayed a bit in the water and waited it out and it worked good but jeez, I really noticed how different sports train different leg muscles, I mean like, who knew right? Wink Coming from cycling and running I thought I'd have a bit of an advantage at least but well, back to square one I guess. At least the stamina is there to swim many lengths.
Edited by Shonak on 08-05-2015 08:07
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sutty68
Had an hour on my bike this morning from 5.30 and it was so enjoyable, quieter roads and being able to watch nature come to life Smile
 
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Strydz
Hey Hey folks just posting this up and if you can help in any way that would be awesome! On Monday the 8th of June I will be Everesting (8848 vertical) to raise funds for education in Nepal, I will be knocking this out on a beautiful little sidestreet climb in up in the local hills named Lakeside Drive https://www.strava.com/segments/88557...er=overall This should be a nice n lazy 300 k's so aiming to be all wrapped up in about 18-20 hours. I am raising funds through morethanspor.org and my page is here https://www.morethansport.org/fundrais...n-in-nepal

I don't expect you guys to donate but thought it worth a mention and maybe you could spread the word to some who might be able to spare a few $$$.
I am planning on doing this one on a steel framed road bike that arrived from Eindhoven during the week and that I built up yesterday (will post pics soon)
Cheers Strydz
Edited by Strydz on 22-05-2015 22:10
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ianrussell
sutty68 wrote:
Had an hour on my bike this morning from 5.30 and it was so enjoyable, quieter roads and being able to watch nature come to life Smile


Good call. Did this myself last weekend for the first time and it was wonderful - I saw more cyclists (still only 3 or 4) than cars Smile

Good luck for Monday Strydz! I'll be trying to survive a mere 2000m of the Tormalet that day if all goes according to plan. Might appreciate some of the cooler temperatures you'll get, while climbing at least, as the valley forecast is 32C atm.

Full Pyrenean route for my 4 days here https://www.pyractif.com/cycling-packa...ofile.html
 
Paul23
I have a question. It might sound like a stupid one, but I have no clue.

How are you guys able to drink on a bike?

To make it clear. I only drink water on my bike. Without fizz.
But I am not able to properly drink, since I need to burp everytime I drink something. Thats why I end up drinking nothing to 100ml on 2h of riding, which leads to an extreme headache due to dehydration later in the evening. I certainly don't want to take a 5 minute rest, everytime I drink on my bike. I don't know if someone else here has or had this problem as well, but maybe you can help me anyways.
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ianrussell
Paul23 wrote:
How are you guys able to drink on a bike?


I find I have to drink around 750ml per hour (water or electrolyte mix) depending on temperature and effort so I can't comprehend that little fluid intake. It would mean I'd be cramping up in short order.

Do you generally have this problem or is it only when on your bike? I can only think that you are gulping in a lot of air as you drink. Perhaps little and often and not when you're panting for breath will help some but I expect you've already tried this and more.

Also occurs you could just burp a lot it's just the body getting rid of otherwise trapped air, so long as it isn't making you feel ill.
Edited by ianrussell on 04-06-2015 15:05
 
Paul23
ianrussell wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
How are you guys able to drink on a bike?


I find I have to drink around 750ml per hour (water or electrolyte mix) depending on temperature and effort so I can't comprehend that little fluid intake. It would mean I'd be cramping up in short order.

Do you generally have this problem or is it only when on your bike? I can only think that you are gulping in a lot of air as you drink. perhaps little and often and not when you're panting for breath will help but I expect you've already tried this and more.


I kinda have this problem sometimes, when I am drinking not on my bike, but always on my bike. And yes, I already tried this. I also have no problem with not drinking, like I did last time on an almost 3h ride. But I got extremely brutal headache afterwards, so I guess, I need to change something.
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ianrussell
I edited my post above can you not just burp a lot? It's just a way to get rid of excess air so long as it isn't causing further problems?
 
wackojackohighcliffe
ianrussell wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Had an hour on my bike this morning from 5.30 and it was so enjoyable, quieter roads and being able to watch nature come to life Smile


Good call. Did this myself last weekend for the first time and it was wonderful - I saw more cyclists (still only 3 or 4) than cars Smile

Good luck for Monday Strydz! I'll be trying to survive a mere 2000m of the Tormalet that day if all goes according to plan. Might appreciate some of the cooler temperatures you'll get, while climbing at least, as the valley forecast is 32C atm.

Full Pyrenean route for my 4 days here https://www.pyractif.com/cycling-packa...ofile.html


Looks really good, Saturday I'll be riding Col de Spandelles (beautiful little climb) and Hautacam but the hangover is going to make it a little less pleasant (33° here right now as well...)
Edited by wackojackohighcliffe on 04-06-2015 15:10
 
Paul23
ianrussell wrote:
I edited my post above can you not just burp a lot? It's just a way to get rid of excess air so long as it isn't causing further problems?


I cannot simply burp alot. It is like stuck in my neck for some time. In this time, I am mostly focused on it. So much, that I need to stop pedaling. After maybe 30 seconds, I can burp. And then this repeats itself maybe 4 or 5 times. Then I am ready to go again.

Causing other problems? Not quite.
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ianrussell
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Looks really good, Saturday I'll be riding Col de Spandelles (beautiful little climb) and Hautacam but the hangover is going to make it a little less pleasant (33° here right now as well...)


Enjoy. Hopefully I'll be following you up Hautacam the day after your ascent but I'm planning to steer well clear of hangovers, it'll be challenging enough as it is and, as you say, likely hot too.
 
ianrussell
Paul23 wrote:
I cannot simply burp alot. It is like stuck in my neck for some time. In this time, I am mostly focused on it. So much, that I need to stop pedaling. After maybe 30 seconds, I can burp. And then this repeats itself maybe 4 or 5 times. Then I am ready to go again.

Causing other problems? Not quite.


I'd say that constitutes a problem alright Sad I'm sure it's nothing serious but definitely worth a visit to the doctor, if you haven't already, to try to get to the bottom of it.
 
Paul23
ianrussell wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
I cannot simply burp alot. It is like stuck in my neck for some time. In this time, I am mostly focused on it. So much, that I need to stop pedaling. After maybe 30 seconds, I can burp. And then this repeats itself maybe 4 or 5 times. Then I am ready to go again.

Causing other problems? Not quite.


I'd say that constitutes a problem alright Sad I'm sure it's nothing serious but definitely worth a visit to the doctor, if you haven't already, to try to get to the bottom of it.


Hm. Ok. I will go to a doctor and see what that brings out...
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Paul23
Strydz wrote:
Hey Hey folks just posting this up and if you can help in any way that would be awesome! On Monday the 8th of June I will be Everesting (8848 vertical) to raise funds for education in Nepal, I will be knocking this out on a beautiful little sidestreet climb in up in the local hills named Lakeside Drive https://www.strava.com/segments/88557...er=overall This should be a nice n lazy 300 k's so aiming to be all wrapped up in about 18-20 hours. I am raising funds through morethanspor.org and my page is here https://www.morethansport.org/fundrais...n-in-nepal

I don't expect you guys to donate but thought it worth a mention and maybe you could spread the word to some who might be able to spare a few $$$.
I am planning on doing this one on a steel framed road bike that arrived from Eindhoven during the week and that I built up yesterday (will post pics soon)
Cheers Strydz


Strydz,

you are truly inspirational. Because of you, I begun my quest today, to everest in June. I will probably not make it, since I have still some problems on my bike, but I want to see whats possible for a quite untrained normal guy.(I hope on 4000m) Today, I wasn't quite fit, so I took a pretty short route, but since I want to get as much altitude this June as I can, I need to stay consistent. But I guess staying healthy is my main goal, that why I will not try our local climb anymore...
Strydz, I hope you can pull your everest tour of. If someone here can do it, its you.


@ian: forced myself today to drink as much as possible. Was quite uncomfortable, but worked out for me. Not as good as most cyclists, but 300ml in 56 minutes is better than normal for me. (The doctor said everything should be normal. I just seem to get air in my stomach way too much...eating slower and other stuff should do it, he said.) Thanks for your help.
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Shonak
Not to sound rude Paul, but I remember you have said that you have just started cycling and now you already want to do (half) an everest?! And strava suggests that too from the looks of it. No way you'll be able to make it. Go ride (your first?) 100km and be happy with a day's work. Don't kill your motivation by aiming too high too early.
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Paul23
Shonak wrote:
Not to sound rude Paul, but I remember you have said that you have just started cycling and now you already want to do (half) an everest?! And strava suggests that too from the looks of it. No way you'll be able to make it. Go ride (your first?) 100km and be happy with a day's work. Don't kill your motivation by aiming too high too early.


Half an everest over 1 month...not in one piece...That would be way to extreme. But I guess you're right anyway. I only wanted to try whats possible over a month. If I only get 1000m or 500m then that would be it. I don't want to overdo things. Maybe I got to overexcited...
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