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| schleck93 |
Posted on 16-07-2009 11:46
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The first tour had 6 stages , with several rest days in between. I think it ended up being around 14 days in total.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-07-2009 14:07
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Serbia's national coach has been arrested along with 12 pro riders. Supposedly, they've been using a new type of EPO.
There's no names yet, but it'd be fun if Ivan Stevic had been caught again - what would UCI do? Give him another life time suspension?  |
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| boork |
Posted on 16-07-2009 14:21
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ruben wrote:
boork wrote:
ruben wrote:
Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
And what do you base this on? Sorry but it is totally wrong You clearly have no idea what you are saying.
This is not wrong. 'Doping' are 99,99% of the times medicines for people with real problems.
If you take epo, controlled, so not amounts that make your blood too thick, you will recuperate faster from heavy efforts and thus it's healthier to ride the tour/races that way.
This is the same for many kinds of doping, like Salbutamol, which astma patients use to get more air.. etcetera.
If you really think it's healthier to ride the Tour without any kind of medicine, than with, then I'm sorry, but then you know and understand NOTHING of the human body.
Most, if not all, dopers take different amounts then the doses for those who take it as medicine. Also the medicine is there to fix something and if you are healthy then taking them gives other problems. Usually lots of side effects. And then taking the doping means you push your body further. A lot of the doping works so you trick the body to ignore the problems who usually force you to go slower. Therefor it breaks your body down a lot more then if you didnt do the drugs. For a single race or a 3-4 day tour it might be healthier to ride with doping, if done right, but for a 21 stage tour then it will not be healthier. |
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| kadel |
Posted on 16-07-2009 14:24
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schleck93 wrote:
The first tour had 6 stages , with several rest days in between. I think it ended up being around 14 days in total.
but the stages were 400 - 500 km long... |
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| knasen |
Posted on 16-07-2009 18:06
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CrueTrue wrote:
Serbia's national coach has been arrested along with 12 pro riders. Supposedly, they've been using a new type of EPO.
There's no names yet, but it'd be fun if Ivan Stevic had been caught again - what would UCI do? Give him another life time suspension?
Was it young promise riders who they have given vitamins?  Is it Sella or Rebillin who have talked?
Davide Rebellin, Emanuele Sella, Matteo Priamo, Andrea Moletta, Ricco, Julio Munoz, Novembrini, Sasa Gajicic and Francesco Revere, while the three sports managers Simone Mori former Amica Chips, Donato Giuliani (National Electric Hadimec) and Rodolfo Boulders (Massi)(Team Boulders). From https://sportitali...px?id=5370 and Mellow Velo
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 16-07-2009 20:14
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boork wrote:
ruben wrote:
boork wrote:
ruben wrote:
Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
And what do you base this on? Sorry but it is totally wrong You clearly have no idea what you are saying.
This is not wrong. 'Doping' are 99,99% of the times medicines for people with real problems.
If you take epo, controlled, so not amounts that make your blood too thick, you will recuperate faster from heavy efforts and thus it's healthier to ride the tour/races that way.
This is the same for many kinds of doping, like Salbutamol, which astma patients use to get more air.. etcetera.
If you really think it's healthier to ride the Tour without any kind of medicine, than with, then I'm sorry, but then you know and understand NOTHING of the human body.
Most, if not all, dopers take different amounts then the doses for those who take it as medicine. Also the medicine is there to fix something and if you are healthy then taking them gives other problems. Usually lots of side effects. And then taking the doping means you push your body further. A lot of the doping works so you trick the body to ignore the problems who usually force you to go slower. Therefor it breaks your body down a lot more then if you didnt do the drugs. For a single race or a 3-4 day tour it might be healthier to ride with doping, if done right, but for a 21 stage tour then it will not be healthier.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-07-2009 20:21
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knasen wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Serbia's national coach has been arrested along with 12 pro riders. Supposedly, they've been using a new type of EPO.
There's no names yet, but it'd be fun if Ivan Stevic had been caught again - what would UCI do? Give him another life time suspension?
Was it young promise riders who they have given vitamins? Is it Sella or Rebillin who have talked?
Davide Rebellin, Emanuele Sella, Matteo Priamo, Andrea Moletta, Ricco, Julio Munoz, Novembrini, Sasa Gajicic and Francesco Revere, while the three sports managers Simone Mori former Amica Chips, Donato Giuliani (National Electric Hadimec) and Rodolfo Boulders (Massi)(Team Boulders). From https://sportitali...px?id=5370 and Mellow Velo
Didn't see that you had updated your post - thanks a lot for the names. Very interesting. |
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| knasen |
Posted on 16-07-2009 22:02
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More correct list now.
Riders Davide Rebellin (Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli, Gerolsteiner), Emanuele Sella (CSF Group-Navigare), Matteo Priamo (CSF Group-Navigare), Andrea Moletta (Gerolsteiner and his father was stopped during the 2008 Giro with two ton of doping stuff), Julio Munoz (amature?), Amerigo Novembrini (Nazionale Elettronica New Slot - Hadimec), Sasa Gajicic (sport director know?) and Francesco Rivera (Amica Chips-Knauf).
And the sports directors Simone Mori (ex Amica Chips), Donato Giuliani (Nazionale Elettronica Hadimec) and Rodolfo Massi (Team Massi).
The Riccardo Riccò connection dont seam sure. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:54
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Moletta was pretty much just waiting to be caught. Been so close a couple of times. Anyway, as said - interesting.
In other doping news, WADA has appealed Hamilton's ban saying that 8 years aren't enough. They want it changed to a life time ban. |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:59
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What is the probability of him ever returning anyway? he will be closer to 50 than 40 when the eight years are over...
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:01
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I don't think it's about Hamilton. It's about setting a precedent for 'coming' cases. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:43
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Rinhoth wrote:
What is the probability of him ever returning anyway? he will be closer to 50 than 40 when the eight years are over...
Do bans affect ANY job within the sport, or just riding?
Perhaps they don't want Hamilton to ever have a position on a team where he could influence other riders. Not sure how the bans work to be honest. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:45
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KurtinSC wrote:
Rinhoth wrote:
What is the probability of him ever returning anyway? he will be closer to 50 than 40 when the eight years are over...
Do bans affect ANY job within the sport, or just riding?
Perhaps they don't want Hamilton to ever have a position on a team where he could influence other riders. Not sure how the bans work to be honest.
I think that depends. I mean Museeuw can't technically work with a team, but was at least at some point a PR guy for Quick-Step. I'm pretty sure thats part of the ruling.
Edited by Deadpool on 17-07-2009 13:46
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Posted on 17-07-2009 13:47
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Landaluze and Ricardo Serrano have tested positive for Cera. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:50
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So much for Dankan's "Fuji - Servetto is clean!!!" posts |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-07-2009 14:30
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For the "most riders are clean" crowd, notice how these are middling riders. They doped, yet they weren't anywhere near having great performances.
Think about it |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 17-07-2009 14:34
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Will this ruin my unexixsting illusion of Euskaltel being clean?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-07-2009 14:38
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schleck93 wrote:
Will this ruin my unexixsting illusion of Euskaltel being clean?
If it's inexistant, you can't ruin something that doesn't exist  . So, no.
Anyway, Aitor González, Iñigo Landaluze, Aketza Peña, Iñigo Landaluze again....it's not like it's the first positive from a Euskaltel rider. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-07-2009 14:39
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issoisso wrote:
For the "most riders are clean" crowd, notice how these are middling riders. They doped, yet they weren't anywhere near having great performances.
Think about it
Reminds me of when Alex Sanchez was caught for taking steroids in baseball. It really caught a lot of people off guard (not that it changed anything, he only got a 10 game suspension  ...) because in a 6 year career he had four home runs, and everybody attributed steroid use to big power hitters.
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| Rin |
Posted on 17-07-2009 14:40
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Wasn´t Landaluze "caught" for doping in the Dauphine 2005 and then was "innocent" for that?
Edited by Rin on 17-07-2009 14:41
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