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| Silence |
Posted on 06-04-2009 17:58
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Actually, why do we only focus on the strongest? Shouldn't the smartest get any credit? Boonen and Pozzato rode like self-centered idiots thinking one of them just had to turn out the winner, so they only reacted on eachother.
However strong they may have driven it was idiocy in my eyes.
EDIT: And I agree with you, Shifty. How can you judge how good Haussler was riding when he ended up in 2nd? Maybe his perfomance only relied on his timing, but so what? Define strong/good racing for me please, then.
Edited by Silence on 06-04-2009 18:01
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| ruben |
Posted on 06-04-2009 18:06
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Haussler himself said he wasn't strong and very happy with 2nd place.
Man, you guys have such distorted and weird views of cycling on here. Go to a belgian-speaking forum or italian or spanish speakinbg (traditional countries) and nobody agrees |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:07
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That may be, but then please:
Define strong/good racing for me.
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:14
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"We were riding on the front after the Bosberg for Thor's chances in the sprint [the final of 16 climbs at -11.8km - ed.]. He said he had good legs, but with one kilometre to go he just said, 'attack'. I attacked and with 500 metres to go, my legs were ready to explode. The directeur was yelling in my ear, 'don't look back, don't look back, just pedal!'"
He was there to look after Thor..Thor was cracked..but still Haussler again in great position when finish line comes. How the hell he was weak!!!
Haussler has raced like smart and strong man all month..always near to top..hugh progession. And then comes Ruben and says..this guy sucks.
Guys in belgian , spanish and says that. I have eyes. Haussler is amazing rider with amazing month.
This is like 2 years ago..when Zabel was Petacchi lead out man and finished in 5th. position..(Petacchi was giving up)..then again Ruben sayd ...Zabel sucks..
5th. in san remo for lead out man..isnt bad..has 2nd. place in Ronde van Vlaanderen fact.
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:21
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he wasnt weak, but he just wasnt as good as in milan san remo or previous cobble buildup races, he said that himself 
if he was good he would have been able to stay with boonen/pozzato when they upped the pace on the climbs
its great for him and for gilbert for that matter that they managed to do a top 3, but they only managed to do it because of race circumstances/tactics, because the pace dropped after each climb/because Pozzato didnt want to or wasnt strong/confident enough to ride with Boonen to the front of the race
Pozzato rode a negative race and cancelled boonen out of it and a strong Devolder benifited from it |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:27
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for me saying haussler wasnt strong in RVV is the same as saying cavendish wasnt strong in MSR and that makes no sense at all !
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:35
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for me, to say he was as strong as Boonen, Pozzato, Devolder, Flecha, Chavanel.. is bullshit if Devolder wasnt in front alone Haussler wouldnt have got the chance to sprint for the second place
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| Silence |
Posted on 06-04-2009 18:37
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Because of the pretty simple reason that he is not a sprinter (can't really see whether you're referring to Haussler or Devoler)?
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:40
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to haussler
speaking of which, he (haussler  )announced today he will ride for australia from next year on, because he feels more aussie than german |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:41
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he was strong enough to ride his legs to a 2nd place which none of those (excluding Devolder obviously ) were able to achieve
and saying Devolder wouldnt get nothing if he wasn't alone in the front is rather useless I believe 
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:45
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You simply do not get it, do you?
On the Muur of Grammond Haussler passed in 30th place, almost 30 seconds behind Boonen/Gilbert/Pozzato/Maaskant/Flecha/Nuyens/Rast for instance. You can see it on the videos on youtube.
He would have never returned if the front chasing group went on. He wasn't as strong as those guys, very simple.
He rode away in the final k because nobody chased any longer and the group was not organized.
You simply do not get it. |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:51
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ok let me see if I understand...
He wasnt as strong as the favs in the last hills and so he lost time and energy. But he was able to get back in the main group because that group wasnt riding fast enough.
Then in the end after leaving the cobbled hills much more tired and spending even more energy to get back in the favs group he was able to attack and be faster than everyone else in that group...
It's not logical!
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:53
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@Ruben, do you think Gilbert can compete for the victory @ AGR?
his form is going up so he should be good there, but im not entirely convinced he has what it takes to do well(to have a chance to win) at AGR, Fleche Wallone & LBL |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 18:57
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I dont need youtube video..I have recorded race.
I know this is kind of stupid debate..we have here..like ages ago..
When subject was wich is best team..
Team who will help one raider to be GC winner.
Or team who has 4-5 raiders inside top 20...(for example 2..9..13..19) |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:02
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
ok let me see if I understand...
He wasnt as strong as the favs in the last hills and so he lost time and energy. But he was able to get back in the main group because that group wasnt riding fast enough.
Then in the end after leaving the cobbled hills much more tired and spending even more energy to get back in the favs group he was able to attack and be faster than everyone else in that group...
It's not logical!
it is :-) he did second because he surprised them, and is more explosive and faster than the other guys
noone is denying that he is fast :-) the point is that if devolder wasnt in front, the better riders would have been at the front, and haussler, who got dropped on the hills, wasnt one of them =) |
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:10
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
ok let me see if I understand...
He wasnt as strong as the favs in the last hills and so he lost time and energy. But he was able to get back in the main group because that group wasnt riding fast enough.
Then in the end after leaving the cobbled hills much more tired and spending even more energy to get back in the favs group he was able to attack and be faster than everyone else in that group...
It's not logical! You are not logical
He was able to attack because the rest wasn't riding fast. Have you even watched the race I wonder? When he attacked, the guys in that group weren't riding hard at all. Even a Bert Scheirlinckx could have attacked there. He took a gamble, that's all.
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:14
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Xavier wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
ok let me see if I understand...
He wasnt as strong as the favs in the last hills and so he lost time and energy. But he was able to get back in the main group because that group wasnt riding fast enough.
Then in the end after leaving the cobbled hills much more tired and spending even more energy to get back in the favs group he was able to attack and be faster than everyone else in that group...
It's not logical!
it is :-) he did second because he surprised them, and is more explosive and faster than the other guys
noone is denying that he is fast :-) the point is that if devolder wasnt in front, the better riders would have been at the front, and haussler, who got dropped on the hills, wasnt one of them =)
allright in an hipothetical situation of that hapening riders like Pozzato and Boonen would have to give it all on the road to prove to reach the top! Thing that didn't happen because they didn't have the overall strength Haussler had!
I understand strength as an overall - mind & body, maybe that's the disagreeing factor. 
I have to agree niether boonen nor pozzato could attack in the end as haussler did because they would be followed and lose the sprint but they had the obligation to pay atention and follow themselves a dangerous man as he proved to be!
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:19
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but both Boonen and Pozzato showed they had the strenght(both body and mind) on the hills, and Haussler showed that he didnt have it
Boonen couldnt attack when Devolder was in front, because he might be taking Pozzato(who outsprinted Boonen in E3prijs) with him and then QS might not have won...
Devolder alone in front 1min ahead of the pack = a 100% sure win for QS, if Boonen attacked and went to catch Devolder, a group might have been formed, something like Boonen Devolder Pozzato Flecha maybe some others( but not Haussler cause he got dropped on the hills  ) and then the win for QS would have been far from sure :-) and Haussler/Gilbert/Nuyens/Hushovd etc wouldnt have got the chance to sprint for second place
Edited by Xavier on 06-04-2009 19:23
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:25
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He was able to attack because the rest wasn't riding fast.
oh god now I finally understand why all the riders don't finish ex-aecquo!
Have you even watched the race I wonder?
no I'm just here to bug you
When he attacked, the guys in that group weren't riding hard at all.
does that make his attack impossible to follow? weren't they stronger than him?
You REALLY don't understand ANYTHING of cycling
cycling?? now I understand why everyone is talking about bicyccles around here...
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Posted on 06-04-2009 19:33
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You sir, are downright hopeless and useless to speak with.
You base your feelings of a race solely on the final result. Of tactics and strength in the race you know and understand nothing. Nothing!
Edited by ruben on 06-04-2009 19:34
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