Have to admit Chelsea were lucky to go through to the final, but i am glad they are because i really do want them to win this damn thing
In reality though, Barcelona should have hammered them but as already said in previous posts, they only play for Messi, so if you do your homework and stop him playing they struggle
Would be nice to see Real Madrid be their opponents in the final, will add a bit of spice to the game with a certain Mr Mourinho around
I was not cheering for Barcelona
Chelsea played like the football was played for the decades. When your opponent is strong in attack, just defend and go to the breakaway, no point to do anything else.
On the other hand standing in front of the box and passing and passing and passing without shooting is not football ,but more like handball, if you ever seen handball match it is exactly how Barca is playing.
They are 11 vs. 10 men for 60 minutes and still they dont shoot, who is not a football team here? I will be loling on Barca for many days, so you better be ready for it.
When somebody claims all the time he is the best, he rather should be, because if he is not, than criticism will smash him.
Just to make it clear, i was a big big fan of Barcelona for many years, before Guardiola came to the club and destroyed the beauty of the game with his thousand passes per game system...
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Edit2: Many people are talking about how Barcelona was not able to score from chances and that Chelsea had luck, dont forget Petr Cech, he is 50% of Chelsea defense, almost impossible to beat 1on1, fantastic goalkeeper.
Yeah, and the other 50% of Chelsea's defense was the woodwork, hitten 4 (!) times by Barcelona in 180 minutes. Seriously, it's ok that you hate Barça, and I do myself ''hate'' them, but when hate alienates you from reality then you're going too far. Chelsea had so much luck I'm sure they're still pinching theirselves to belive they're in the final.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Edit2: Many people are talking about how Barcelona was not able to score from chances and that Chelsea had luck, dont forget Petr Cech, he is 50% of Chelsea defense, almost impossible to beat 1on1, fantastic goalkeeper.
Yeah, and the other 50% of Chelsea's defense was the woodwork, hitten 4 (!) times by Barcelona in 180 minutes. Seriously, it's ok that you hate Barça, and I do myself ''hate'' them, but when hate alienates you from reality then you're going too far. Chelsea had so much luck I'm sure they're still pinching theirselves to belive they're in the final.
But when you hit the woodwork, you are not unlucky,but lame, because woodwork is the same like when the ball goes metre off the goal. In football there is only goal and no goal, nothing in between.
You are reffering to the 4 hits of woodwork. I agree in first match, it was a bit unlucky, but than Messi missed the penalty (again this is not unlucky but fail of Messi, nothing more. He was feared of Cech saving this so send it to the bar,lame..) And another woodwork ? It was hit after great fingertip save from Cech, just see the replay, because it was not visible from real time coverage.
And of course Chelsea was a bit lucky, but we all know remember who was "lucky" in 2009
All and all, this luck should not overpower the fact, that Barcelona is absolutely clueless, when somebody exploit their only one-way to play (ineffective handball around the box) as we saw in El classico too.
P.S. You know Kumazan that i have objection against the style of Barca was playing for almost a year here on daily football section. So i am glad that someone has finally show that football is not about passing and dribbling, but about scoring goals and playing with heart.Barca players are playing rather with their egoes.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 25-04-2012 09:28
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This was more "football" than anything from their opponent in the whole match, incredible goal...genius quick thinking from Lampard.
That was one hell of a pass and a clinical finish by Ramires
Okay, Avin, your posts call for a Pro-Barca-Reply:
All and all, this luck should not overpower the fact, that Barcelona is absolutely clueless, when somebody exploit their only one-way to play (ineffective handball around the box) as we saw in El classico too.
First of all: I'm not sure whether you play football yourself or not, but either way it should be obvious that you can't just run towards the goal and score. And if the opponent completely refuses to do anything except blocking the box (to make that clear, I don't blame Chelsea for that. It is probably the only way to have a chance against Barca. Did it ever occur to you that this fact is a huge sign for how good Barca actually is?), you just need to wait for your chances. Of course that's not too attractive but that really isn't Barca's fault.
Secondly, you do realize that they scored twice and could have scored at least two more goals? All that against a pretty strong and solid defense. If you call that "absolutely clueless", I really can't help you.
P.S. You know Kumazan that i have objection against the style of Barca was playing for almost a year here on daily football section. So i am glad that someone has finally show that football is not about passing and dribbling, but about scoring goals and playing with heart.Barca players are playing rather with their egoes.
Huh? You say they pass way too much and a second later, you state they're egoistic? Would you mind explanining that a little?
Not to mention that it's pretty much the same style that made them win six titles in one year. They proved that their style can be absolutely succesful and (again, imo) stunningly beautiful. But hey, a couple of matches where it didn't work out and bam - that's not how you should play football!
When somebody claims all the time he is the best, he rather should be, because if he is not, than criticism will smash him.
I'd love to see some quotations of Barca guys claiming they're the best. I sure am biased, but nevertheless I really think that Barca behaves pretty modest for what they achieved in the last couple of years (but prove me wrong, I'm open for something new ).
Apart from that: Even the best of the best doesn't win everything. That applies on every sport. And if you call a season with the second place in the league and the half final in the CL (plus probably the national cup win) a very bad season (which obviously seems to be the case), isn't that another sign of how good a team is?
This was more "football" than anything from their opponent in the whole match, incredible goal...genius quick thinking from Lampard.
Again: No I agree with you that it was remarkably good from Lampard, but in my opinion, the double pass, I think it was Messi-Iniesta-Messi that led to the big chance 1-1 vs Cech, where Iniesta back-heeled the ball to Messi, was even better (€dit: here). There were lots of nice combinations, similarly well-played, but of course you didn't notice...
Lastly, I'd like to say that I think Chelsea got through well-deserved. They had the right tactics, they had the fighting spirit. And Barca has a huuuuuge problem with using their chances. But all this Barca-bashing here is mostly really stupid in my opinion. I can understand if you like to see someone else winning, absolutely. I don't mind you not liking Barca. But some of your statements have no basis in fact, so I just felt like I needed to "stand up against it".
And really lastly: I hope this didn't sound too aggressive. It's not meant personal at all! But as a Barca fan, I am surrounded by statements like yours all day so I kind of had to let it out once.
Edited by cunego59 on 25-04-2012 14:14
cunego59 wrote:
Okay, Avin, your posts call for a Pro-Barca-Reply:
Really well said Cunego, you were right in many parts and i certainly dont take it personal,as i admit it was obvious trolling from my side and personal likes and dislikes rather than facts. You know we,who dont like Barca much, need some time to celebrate
Still the fact is that Barcelona is playing this style for maybe three years now and the past has shown, that so long is maybe enough for opponents to find the key to break the dominance of it. I dont think yesterday match was the end of "super-Barca", but i think Barcelona will need to alter their game a bit, to be the dominant force for more years.
I feel the changes should be made on either defense and offense. Puyol is not youngest and fastest of defenders anymore, still he can play few more yers on top level. But besides him and Pique, there is room for improvement (Chelsea scored 3 relatively "easy" goals and problems in defense in more games).
Also Messi cant score all the goals, they need better attackers in general (like they had in Henry,Etoo..). Sanchez is not consistent, Pedro is not in form whole year and Cuenca and Tello are not experienced enough (plus unlucky injury for Villa, but i dont see him also to be the player they need).
Also Barcelona has my deepest respect for using their home-grown players, that is what like on Gunners the most.
But there is also fair to say that Barcelona spent a lot of money every year on transfers ( they are -125 000 000 euros transfer balance under Guardiola as a coach).
Also we all know they really dont have these money, they loaned them and now the debt is 54% of value of the club according to Forbes (that is highest percentage in football. For Real it is 15%, Arsenal 30% because of new stadium). With state of European and Spain finances, this seems as the very big luxury in my eyes and if Fifa wants the Financial fair play plan to be reality,they should start to search for some excuses for Barca.
Sorry for the long post, but cant describe it shorter.
Now I can agree with you in most points as well It was definetely a mistake to let Eto'o go. And yes, they're too dependant on Messi and yes, they need to alter their style - although, if I think about it, if they just started to use their chances better, that might not even be necessary
And what Spanish and English clubs do with their financies is beyond reason, no doubt. If FFP would really kick in, German teams would rule football Still, it's remarkable that they still spend milions they don't have on charity, for instance.
Anyway, I think we both made our points clear and we both have things we agree and disagree about. Now, for me, all there is left to do is beg the god I don't believe in to not let Real win the Champions League. That would be my worst case szenario I'm all for Chelsea now (since I dislike Bayern, too. Today is probably the only match in ages I really, really want them to win)!
cunego59 wrote:
Now, for me, all there is left to do is beg the god I don't believe in to not let Real win the Champions League. That would be my worst case szenario I'm all for Chelsea now (since I dislike Bayern, too. Today is probably the only match in ages I really, really want them to win)!
Ronaldo scores for Real, from I penalty which I have some doubts if it really was, judging that Boateng has his arm there, and can't do anything to avoid contact with the ball.
Edited by FreitasPCM on 25-04-2012 19:53
This card limit is ruining the spectacle and will ruin the final if Bayern make it, 3 Bayern players out, who if they get to the final deserve to play and same for the Chelsea players out of the final (minus Terry). Dont agree with it, its harsh and heartbreaking. They need to up it to at least 4, especially with the amount of quality and games in the CL.
Still, it's remarkable that they still spend milions they don't have on charity, for instance. 
