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Giro d'Italia 2009
luckyman1
alexkr00 wrote:
luckyman1 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
when Menchov attacked in the last metres and tooked some seconds to Di Luca, nobody said that Di Luca is/was in trouble. The same thing happened today, but with Menchov losing some seconds.


Because Di Luca worked for Menchov all the way up that climb when Sastre and Basso went, and did the same today


Di Luca worked for him trying to get Menchov tired and not let Sastre or Basso go to far, but Menchov staied in his wheel.


And that's why Menchov sprinted past him at the end the other day
 
Shooting Star
Ildabaoth wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
Di Luca shouldn't have pulled Menchov all the way up the mountain. He should've let him take the responsibility for keeping up the pace and attacked him in short bursts to slowly wear him down.


It's a hard analysis. It's hard to do a lot of short bursts because they waste a lot more energy to the attacker than to the counterattacker. Generally, the best gamble, if any, is to attack once or twice. I doubt there is something Di Luca could have done today. Even with his explosiveness, he never was more than a couple of meters ahead Menchov. And without any other seriuos contender to the GC, who could help wear down Menchov, it's almost an impossible job for Di Luca alone. And Menchov did what he had to do, anyways. Even if Di Luca had lowered even more his rhytm, Menchov wouldn't have worked. What for?


Considering Pellizotti had attacked from them, Menchov would have to work unless Garzelli would have picked up the pace. Of course that could have meant that Pellizotti would be back in the game, but that is a risk I think he should have taken. You gotta sacrifice a little in order to win.
 
schleck93
alexkr00 wrote:
when Menchov attacked in the last metres and tooked some seconds to Di Luca, nobody said that Di Luca is/was in trouble. The same thing happened today, but with Menchov losing some seconds.


Because Di Luca didn't lose like 10 seconds in 200 meters, and he didn't crack in the way that Menchov did in the end, thats why.
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Rinhoth
The only way we get some excitement before the final TT is if Di Luca gets the jersey, and a small gap of about 30 secs to Menchov. Then it's just what counts more, Di Luca's motivation and jersey, or Menchov's superior TT abilities.
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Guido Mukk
In GT 21'th. TT stage ..is always a little different..
 
Juan
Guido Mukk wrote:
luckyman1 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
when Menchov attacked in the last metres and tooked some seconds to Di Luca, nobody said that Di Luca is/was in trouble. The same thing happened today, but with Menchov losing some seconds.


Because Di Luca worked for Menchov all the way up that climb when Sastre and Basso went, and did the same today


Indeed now one helped Di Luca today..he was pulling all alone..(and this was Blockhause stage) and still managed to get Menchov "dead" face..first time at this Giro..
Dont be worried Menchov will take Giro win..but Di Luca is grazy bastard..he wont give up...and will try again.

I won't really be so confident.
As for Sastre, I tend to agree with Lagetcher after rewatching the climb : today the spaniard lacked tactics, and also some power.
 
Juan
Shooting Star wrote:
Di Luca shouldn't have pulled Menchov all the way up the mountain. He should've let him take the responsibility for keeping up the pace and attacked him in short bursts to slowly wear him down.

Giro isn't PCM Wink
 
doddy13
Juan wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
luckyman1 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
when Menchov attacked in the last metres and tooked some seconds to Di Luca, nobody said that Di Luca is/was in trouble. The same thing happened today, but with Menchov losing some seconds.


Because Di Luca worked for Menchov all the way up that climb when Sastre and Basso went, and did the same today


Indeed now one helped Di Luca today..he was pulling all alone..(and this was Blockhause stage) and still managed to get Menchov "dead" face..first time at this Giro..
Dont be worried Menchov will take Giro win..but Di Luca is grazy bastard..he wont give up...and will try again.

I won't really be so confident.
As for Sastre, I tend to agree with Lagetcher after rewatching the climb : today the spaniard lacked tactics, and also some power.


I'm 90% sure that Menchov will win the Giro.
 
Juan
So let's start a useless debate :
IF Di Luca is able to have the same form as he has had so far, considering the fact that Vesuvius ends with 9+ % slopes, and considering the fact that Di Luca proved today that Menchov isn't invincible, then I can honestly think that nothing's over.
The final TT isn't a problem : 14.4km with the "maglia rosa" in Rome, that won't be a torture for Di Luca
 
luckyman1
Don't forget the uphill finish to Anagni Wink
 
Shooting Star
Juan wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
Di Luca shouldn't have pulled Menchov all the way up the mountain. He should've let him take the responsibility for keeping up the pace and attacked him in short bursts to slowly wear him down.

Giro isn't PCM Wink


 
doddy13
But Di Luca is useless at TT's. The Maglia Rosa can't make miracles. Remember Di Luca had the Maglia Rosa going into last weeks TT.
 
Dan_Grr
DiLoco is done.

Or near it. He must be, he's been wearing himself out for the past couple of days.
 
Juan
doddy13 wrote:
But Di Luca is useless at TT's. The Maglia Rosa can't make miracles. Remember Di Luca had the Maglia Rosa going into last weeks TT.

You can't compare a 60 km up and down TT to a 15 km flat TT Wink

Dan_Grr wrote:
DiLoco is done.

Or near it. He must be, he's been wearing himself out for the past couple of days.

So is Menchov.
And I said, that's only IF Di Luca can hang on his form Wink
Edited by Juan on 27-05-2009 18:31
 
Shooting Star
Rinhoth wrote:
The only way we get some excitement before the final TT is if Di Luca gets the jersey, and a small gap of about 30 secs to Menchov. Then it's just what counts more, Di Luca's motivation and jersey, or Menchov's superior TT abilities.


Um, it isn't exactly a 50km TT under extreme wind conditions...
 
Shooting Star
doddy13 wrote:
But Di Luca is useless at TT's. The Maglia Rosa can't make miracles. Remember Di Luca had the Maglia Rosa going into last weeks TT.


Di Luca will lose 20-30 seconds to Menchov on that TT.
 
Juan
luckyman1 wrote:
Don't forget the uphill finish to Anagni Wink

Either a breakaway there, or Di Luca won't be able to drop Menchov on this climb.
Remember San Luca Wink
 
luckyman1
Juan wrote:
luckyman1 wrote:
Don't forget the uphill finish to Anagni Wink

Either a breakaway there, or Di Luca won't be able to drop Menchov on this climb.
Remember San Luca Wink


Di Luca will just do to Menchov what he did at the top of the climb today. Hopefully.

Anyway, Manchov will fall apart on Vesuvius Pfft
 
Juan
luckyman1 wrote:
Juan wrote:
luckyman1 wrote:
Don't forget the uphill finish to Anagni Wink

Either a breakaway there, or Di Luca won't be able to drop Menchov on this climb.
Remember San Luca Wink


Di Luca will just do to Menchov what he did at the top of the climb today. Hopefully.

Anyway, Manchov will fall apart on Vesuvius Pfft

Anagni isn't Blockhaus Wink
 
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