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Le Tour 09: Stage 15 - Pontarlier - Verbier (SUI)
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:06
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Sherpa wrote:
Wiggins --> positive
Where did I see this film before?
Maybe:
Gutierrez --> positive
Armstrong --> positive
Shumacker --> positive
Werent you gonna quit the forum if Wiggins made Top 3 in Stage 1? He did that but youre still here.
I would quit the forum, but since we all can see now that wiggins is doped, I won't. Doping is not allowed in my bets.
By the way, take a look at https://www.sportsscientists.com/, good stuff |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:10
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"I need to see the doctor now, I don't know what the problem is," he muttered before being led away.
Um cadel... whats that mean 
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:11
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I've also read about the slow and fast twitch fibers, however I didn't want to bring that up here to accuse Wiggins. I want to believe it.
Most people have a big mixture of both, with the elite 100m sprinters being pure SOB's fast twitch, and marathon dudes being slow twitch. You can easily see a fast twitch guy, someone who has good genetics, like someone who may not do any exercise, but has a good body. Look at the sprinters for a great example of a ripped, muscular, fast twitch body.
Climbers are obviously slow fiber skinny-heads. I don't see it genetically possible for one, or other to succeed in an opposite sport or area of genetical tendency even if they wanted. Although most people have a mixture of both, they will not succeed as greatly in one area (power, fast) or other (endurance, slow) as one genetic body type that has more of one or the other.
But still, I want to believe. And after all, there is no evidence that anyone is doped. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:11
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Sherpa wrote:
Wiggins --> positive
Where did I see this film before?
Maybe:
Gutierrez --> positive
Armstrong --> positive
Shumacker --> positive
Werent you gonna quit the forum if Wiggins made Top 3 in Stage 1? He did that but youre still here.
In case you haven't noticed, he has a habit of being a bit of a jackass to everyone. Just ignore him and with any luck he'll either stop being rude to everyone all the time, or he'll go away |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:15
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As for Wiggins, remember, this is a guy who refused to train more than a few short hours per week on the road for fear it would affect his track performance.
Since Beijing he's completely set aside the track. Completely. It's only natural that the difference is massive.
You won't find a much bigger sceptic than me, but for now I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary given his change of focus to the road and his massive weight loss.
Especially given the insane amount of weight he's lost. Have you seen him up close this year? Piepoli was fatter. No, that's not an exaggeration.
At this point, he is 1kg lighter than Evans. Let that sink in for a second. |
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:23
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Evans seems pretty well built when I'm seeing him from the back comparing him to other guys. Unless it's only the legs. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:26
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I would understand it with Wiggins if in maybe in a few years he got top placings at the tour. But only 1 year after he started training seriously for the road he outclimbs the man who won last year on a mountaintop finish. Its just weird
And remember Vandevelde had a few top 30 placings before he suddenly got a top 5 at the tour. But I just couldn't have predicted Wiggins. Im shocked. |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:34
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issoisso wrote:
As for Wiggins, remember, this is a guy who refused to train more than a few short hours per week on the road for fear it would affect his track performance.
Since Beijing he's completely set aside the track. Completely. It's only natural that the difference is massive.
You won't find a much bigger sceptic than me, but for now I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary given his change of focus to the road and his massive weight loss.
Especially given the insane amount of weight he's lost. Have you seen him up close this year? Piepoli was fatter. No, that's not an exaggeration.
At this point, he is 1kg lighter than Evans. Let that sink in for a second.
Got any watts for the last stage?
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| Immortal |
Posted on 19-07-2009 20:39
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Dan_Grr wrote:
Evans seems pretty well built when I'm seeing him from the back comparing him to other guys. Unless it's only the legs.
The thing issoisso meant is that Cadel Evans is quite short, only 1,73 tall. Bradley Wiggins is about 1,90 (and still weighs less(!)).
Also, to put things a bit in perspecive. As far as I know Bradley now weighs 63kg right?, that gives him a BMI of 17,5. Anything under 18,5 is considered seriously underweight. (Lenardo Piepoli who as issoisso mentioned is just skin and bones is at about 17,6)
Also, considering his unusual height and the obvious fact that he as a cyclist has a lot of muscles adding up to the weight, his BMI is in praciss even lover. He probobly doesn`t have a unnecesairy fat-cell left in his body. (which is very evident in the picture shown earlier in this thread) |
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Posted on 19-07-2009 21:01
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CrueTrue wrote:
I must say that seeing Lance fail at the Tour makes it all worth it.
Amen to that.
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:13
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issoisso wrote:
You won't find a much bigger sceptic than me, but for now I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary given his change of focus to the road and his massive weight loss.
I really can't understand you, sorry |
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:15
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issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Sherpa wrote:
Wiggins --> positive
Where did I see this film before?
Maybe:
Gutierrez --> positive
Armstrong --> positive
Shumacker --> positive
Werent you gonna quit the forum if Wiggins made Top 3 in Stage 1? He did that but youre still here.
In case you haven't noticed, he has a habit of being a bit of a jackass to everyone. Just ignore him and with any luck he'll either stop being rude to everyone all the time, or he'll go away
By the way, when was I rude to everyone all the time? Are you everyone? It seems to me you should be less egocentric |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:15
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Immortal wrote:
Dan_Grr wrote:
Evans seems pretty well built when I'm seeing him from the back comparing him to other guys. Unless it's only the legs.
The thing issoisso meant is that Cadel Evans is quite short, only 1,73 tall. Bradley Wiggins is about 1,90 (and still weighs less(!)).
Also, to put things a bit in perspecive. As far as I know Bradley now weighs 63kg right?, that gives him a BMI of 17,5. Anything under 18,5 is considered seriously underweight. (Lenardo Piepoli who as issoisso mentioned is just skin and bones is at about 17,6)
Also, considering his unusual height and the obvious fact that he as a cyclist has a lot of muscles adding up to the weight, his BMI is in praciss even lover. He probobly doesn`t have a unnecesairy fat-cell left in his body. (which is very evident in the picture shown earlier in this thread)
About BMI 18,5-25 is normal built/weight under 18.5 is underweight now seriusly over 30 is heavy overwieght. Besides fatpercetages is a much better way of determinating if people are fat or not.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:17
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Sherpa wrote:
issoisso wrote:
You won't find a much bigger sceptic than me, but for now I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary given his change of focus to the road and his massive weight loss.
I really can't understand you, sorry
In short, Bradley wiggins has changed to the road. He used to be a track rider (Pursuit) and so was heavier and bulkier. This season is year 1 on the olympic cycle, he's decided to focus 100% on the road, loosing a load of weight while he's at it.
He's a climber.
Oh, and stop trying to cause an argument please, thank you.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:18
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mattiasgt wrote:
Got any watts for the last stage?
Nope. Wait a few weeks.
Immortal wrote:
quite short, only 1,73
You do realize that's above average for an adult human male in most countries in the world, and even above average for europe, right?
Heck,in italy the average for a human adult male is below 1,70m
You have a seriously skewered view of normal human height? |
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| swsquires |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:23
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Regarding fast and slow twitch fibres, if you look at any photos of Wiggins you will see that he never had large legs (indicating more slow twitch fibres). If more fast twitch was better one might have expected Cav to outperform Wiggins in the UK track team, but he didn't. It is also possible to alter the ratio of fast and slow twitch fibres (to a degree) through training. Let us not forget that the ratio is only one factor among a number of physiological attributes.
An interesting fast/slow twitch comparison would actually be Contador vs Sastre. In order to be able to make the jumps he does on climbs he needs fast twitch fibres. In comparison, someone like Sastre describes himself as an engine (incapable of the fast jumps) and therefore will have a higher slow-twitch ratio.
There are probably quite a few very good cyclists who could change their speciality by losing weight. Armstrong and Jalabert are easy examples from the past. Cancellara is trying it. I would imagine that quite a few of the top level time trialists are looking with interest at what Bradley and Cancellara have done and considering steps they might take in the coming 12 months to improve their climbing.
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:24
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doddy13 wrote:
Sherpa wrote:
issoisso wrote:
You won't find a much bigger sceptic than me, but for now I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary given his change of focus to the road and his massive weight loss.
I really can't understand you, sorry
In short, Bradley wiggins has changed to the road. He used to be a track rider (Pursuit) and so was heavier and bulkier. This season is year 1 on the olympic cycle, he's decided to focus 100% on the road, loosing a load of weight while he's at it.
He's a climber.
Oh, and stop trying to cause an argument please, thank you.
I don't want to cause any kind of argument.
I perfectly understood the history of bradley wiggins that isso wrote, I wasn't refering to that.
What I can't understand is how can isso be the biggest sceptic if he hasn't seen him do anything out of the ordinary... |
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:25
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He lives in Norway as far as we know 1,73 could be short for them. My dear, dear mother is 1,55m. 1,90 and 63kgs on the other hand, that's got to be unhealthy.
And that body mass equation, height to weight is not accurate, it does not give you fat and muscle percentages lost, both of which he has lost a lot. The fat will come easy later on when he stops his rigourous diet. Good luck on getting the muscle back. |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:29
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Samuel Dumoulin = 1,59  that's short
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 19-07-2009 21:31
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Immortal wrote:
[quote]Dan_Grr wrote:
Also, to put things a bit in perspecive. As far as I know Bradley now weighs 63kg right?, that gives him a BMI of 17,5. Anything under 18,5 is considered seriously underweight. (Lenardo Piepoli who as issoisso mentioned is just skin and bones is at about 17,6)
Just very few people can be healthy with that kind of BMI, how can Wiggins at the same time be extremely competitive? I think, if he isn't on drugs, he is a potential study case. |
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