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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:01
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There's a few different approaches, but that's close to the baseline, yes.
What matters is that you're consistent in the way you measure it, so you can compare different races/years. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:01
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issoisso wrote:
McQuaid was reelected for 4 years. So we get 4 more years of a corrupt governing body that doesn't want doping to go away.
Astana made the doping controllers wait for an entire hour before collecting blood samples.
THIS IS EXTREMELY SERIOUS AND SHOULD LEAD TO SEVERE SANCTIONS FOR THE TEAM
Want to bet nothing will happen with McQuaid in charge?
There's a very strong reason why blood samples must be taken immediately. It's to prevent athletes from diluting their blood values to conceal doping. This takes literally a couple of minutes.
This is extremely serious. Yet nothing will happen. Because McQuaid won't let anything happen.
I'll remind you all that McQuaid is a former rider and former doper.
So hurray for doping in cycling. Hurray for pseudo-clean teams that do nothing except say they're clean and stupid people lap it up.
Let's all go to sleep for 20 years and come back in 2030. Maybe by then we will have had at least one Grand Tour podium with at least one clean rider.
As I understood it, the UCI testers voluntarily decided to sit down and enjoy the coffee - against all rules. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:10
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Euronews reported it as Astana asking them to wait, so they waited and had coffee and didn't make any fuss. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:17
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Has it been mentioned that Pieere Bondry is mad, and wants UCI to go to hell, and let AFLD do the anti-doping at the tour?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:29
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I don't think he's mad at all!
He knows what the UCI really is, and he really cares about fighting doping.
Compare last year when the AFLD did the testing with this year when the UCI is doing it.
No changes in the peloton's speed, yet last year there were a bucketload of positives and this year nothing so far. |
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| Arnout |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:37
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issoisso wrote:
I don't think he's mad at all!
He knows what the UCI really is, and he really cares about fighting doping.
Compare last year when the AFLD did the testing with this year when the UCI is doing it.
No changes in the peloton's speed, yet last year there were a bucketload of positives and this year nothing so far.
Which can have, besides doping, have several reasons. I can list a few.
- The presence of Astana in the race with some of the most talented guys in the bunch. Astana took control in many stages, upping the speed.
- The racing team Columbia which is actually quite strong and stronger than last year.
- The strange racing of this year, with many echelons and changes of echelons, upping the speed as well.
- The profile of the race is not what I call superdemanding, higher speeds in the mountains are no problem at all.
- The professionalisation of the sport. More and more the riders are working with advanced telemetry, trainers and schemes. This is something of the last years and one of the main reasons for the small gaps nowadays. Everyone is on his limit, in top form and can compete with each others. Every year I see more results of this.
Guys, not everything is doping... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:40
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In other news: Gesink is back on the bike already and will go to St moritz next 3 weeks to prepare for the Vuelta, then he rides Tour de Limousin and Plouay as last races before Vuelta... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2009 10:47
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ruben wrote:
In other news: Gesink is back on the bike already and will go to St moritz next 3 weeks to prepare for the Vuelta, then he rides Tour de Limousin and Plouay as last races before Vuelta...
This is good to know.. TdF and Alps had been best way to find out..who he realy is |
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 15-07-2009 11:29
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Arnout wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
They said the same with Dekker.
There's no smoke without fire - and you should stop acting like a naive boy 
I am not a naive boy. I know about doping. Not that I care about it though.
But right, why always the talks about doping. I mean, I can accuse 20 riders of which I think they dope. But I won't. I just watch and enjoy the sport, because I love the sport. And when someone is caught, I am not happy. A positive test means another bad day for the sport and another rider which I won't see riding for 2 years again. Why should you be happy when a good rider leaves the peloton, even if he cheated? At least Di Luca gave us a lot of fun. He alone gave us a spectacle at the Giro with his riding style, so I cannot imagine there is a single reason you don't like the boy and want to get rid of him only when there are some rumours. Why not wait for the tests and enjoy the sport when there are no positive tests?
If I constantly thought about doping during races and when I see spectacular riding, I would not be enjoying road cycling. And I do now, being naive or not.
I am with you man!
Riders like Vinokourov, Rasmussen, Sella, Ricco, Landis,... gave us a lot of entertainment, even though illegaly.
If I was a rider I wouldn't like them, but since I am not, I am allowed to love them, and thanks to all of them, they made my life more interesting. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2009 11:46
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I belive there is many users..who is thinking:"Why they need to chase dopers..let them entertain us." (Go and watch movies)
This is sport..activity. How they can recommend for us to live healthy life ..when in professional level (starting with juniors) is pharmacy test ground.
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-07-2009 12:48
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Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
So that is no argument, sorry. The thing is, when you legalize it, people will overuse -> not healthy.
But to say it's healthier to ride a race clean, then I have to disagree. |
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| boork |
Posted on 15-07-2009 14:19
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ruben wrote:
Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
And what do you base this on? Sorry but it is totally wrong |
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-07-2009 15:13
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boork wrote:
ruben wrote:
Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
And what do you base this on? Sorry but it is totally wrong You clearly have no idea what you are saying.
This is not wrong. 'Doping' are 99,99% of the times medicines for people with real problems.
If you take epo, controlled, so not amounts that make your blood too thick, you will recuperate faster from heavy efforts and thus it's healthier to ride the tour/races that way.
This is the same for many kinds of doping, like Salbutamol, which astma patients use to get more air.. etcetera.
If you really think it's healthier to ride the Tour without any kind of medicine, than with, then I'm sorry, but then you know and understand NOTHING of the human body. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 15-07-2009 15:19
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boork wrote:
ruben wrote:
Actually, it's healthier to ride the Tour de France with moderate amounts of EPO and other doping, then to ride it clean.
And what do you base this on? Sorry but it is totally wrong
I'm not sure if it's true or not...
but I would think something that allowed more oxygen in your lungs would be better for you then suffering oxygen deprivation... right? I would think that if a drug increased your ability to handle the physical rigors of the tour without long term health impact... you COULD make the arguement you'd be healthier doped then clean.
I don't know if that's the case with the current doping tools or not though. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-07-2009 15:34
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EPO is not more dangerous then drinking orange juice. It's only when you do too much, when it becomes unhealthy.
But that's with EVERYTHING!! It's unhealthy if you eat yourself to death, it's unhealthy to ride 3500km through France as fast as possible.
Controlled (mind the word controlled) doping is healthier for your body, then riding clean. I don't support doping and I don't say they should dope, I'm just saying this as a fact, because it is so... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2009 23:20
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Bjarne Riis says riding without team radios is against his principles.
We all know he's a man of strong moral principles and ethic  |
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| swsquires |
Posted on 16-07-2009 01:10
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It is indeed a well known fact that riding the Tour is bad for you. Haematocrit, testosterone levels, etc, will gradually drop over the course of the 3 weeks. Thus there is an argument that some doping is healthy. In fact I believe it was certainly a well held argument among pros that it wasn't technically doping if you were just taking "supplements" that would keep levels within the body at where they would normally be.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-07-2009 10:57
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I get ruben point..doping will help human body to manage with that pain. And this is more healthy then take that pain when you are "clean".
Question (maybe stupid) has TdF always been 3 weeks? |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 16-07-2009 11:11
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Simply riding the Tour de France is unhealthy, imo. Drugs or no drugs. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2009 11:13
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Guido Mukk wrote:
I get ruben point..doping will help human body to manage with that pain. And this is more healthy then take that pain when you are "clean".
Question (maybe stupid) has TdF always been 3 weeks?
I think it used to vary each year, i recall that there was one tour of 26 days.
I think the wiki article has more
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