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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 27-09-2008 06:00
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It's hardly news, though, is it?
Shleck was first mentioned as being Basso's amigo by a dutch newspaper around 2 years ago....
As long as all the ex-Kelme riders are free to go about their business, then so too should Frank.
That's why it's also ridiculous to get angry with riders that (try to) dope, like Basso.... |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 27-09-2008 07:27
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fenian_1234 wrote:
It's hardly news, though, is it?
Shleck was first mentioned as being Basso's amigo by a dutch newspaper around 2 years ago....
As long as all the ex-Kelme riders are free to go about their business, then so too should Frank.
That's why it's also ridiculous to get angry with riders that (try to) dope, like Basso....
yeah the whole "amigo de birillo" is weak.
I'm more fascinated with the retroactive testing. With 30 suspected riders, if a bunch of them get busted...it could mean the final end to this transition of doping culture to a clean one....and that started with puerto. I'm curious who the 30 suspicious riders are...one topic that should be raised is...if a csc rider gets busted...one has to wonder the quality of internal testing is...especially from an expert like damsgaard.
The truth is...epo is a lot easier to detect than autologous blood doping. I think what messed with riders heads is the fact that they did not bet that the tour would retroactively test samples...which could set a new precedent, something i like. Internal testing + new regulations/laws could focus on making autologous doping unfeasible. Its hard to stay optimistic but i really do think cycling can be clean in the future.
my prediction...at least a big name will go down.
Edited by Phanekim on 27-09-2008 07:31
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-09-2008 08:44
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Phanekim wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
It's hardly news, though, is it?
Shleck was first mentioned as being Basso's amigo by a dutch newspaper around 2 years ago....
As long as all the ex-Kelme riders are free to go about their business, then so too should Frank.
That's why it's also ridiculous to get angry with riders that (try to) dope, like Basso....
yeah the whole "amigo de birillo" is weak.
I'm more fascinated with the retroactive testing. With 30 suspected riders, if a bunch of them get busted...it could mean the final end to this transition of doping culture to a clean one....and that started with puerto. I'm curious who the 30 suspicious riders are...one topic that should be raised is...if a csc rider gets busted...one has to wonder the quality of internal testing is...especially from an expert like damsgaard.
The truth is...epo is a lot easier to detect than autologous blood doping. I think what messed with riders heads is the fact that they did not bet that the tour would retroactively test samples...which could set a new precedent, something i like. Internal testing + new regulations/laws could focus on making autologous doping unfeasible. Its hard to stay optimistic but i really do think cycling can be clean in the future.
my prediction...at least a big name will go down.
There is still no test for autologous transfusions and still no way for one to trigger a positive 
Also, this rectroactive testing was already announced a while ago, they have confirmed that the names will not be revealed and that no one will be charged based on these tests.
They're simply to gather information on who they should target with the same inane useless out of competition tests they've been doing for years.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-09-2008 10:26
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I read something different yesterday about no names and no sanctions for those 30 riders (or 30 samples ?).
But cleaning cycling didn't start with Puerto, hell no, never. It started with the Festina affair... How surprising no French rider ever achieved something since then, they probably knew how to train before but forgot it afterwards (common explanation for they sudden suckage is that they don't train as hard as foreigners : bullshit)... Only ones who managed to get good results afterwards were the ones who had their licences abroad and possibly rode for a foreign team (Jalabert, Virenque, Moreau).
Then there was the Giro blitz in 2001, that was quite a mess, but didn't lead to big consequences.
Antidoping fight starting with Puerto ? Joke of the century... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-09-2008 10:54
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How surprising no French rider ever achieved something since then, they probably knew how to train before but forgot it afterwards (common explanation for they sudden suckage is that they don't train as hard as foreigners : bullshit)
It's indeed as much bullshit as saying all foreigners are doped because they do better then the clean French people. |
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Posted on 27-09-2008 10:59
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Some 'medications' were taken away from Schlecks hotel room. This could either mean nothing or everything, especially on a larger scale.
EDIT: Sorry, apparently it was just a rumour. The police were there on a different agenda. An oxygen tent should have been located at the hotel. What to believe, I don't know.
Edited by Stairs on 27-09-2008 11:07
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-09-2008 11:05
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Ruben wrote:
How surprising no French rider ever achieved something since then, they probably knew how to train before but forgot it afterwards (common explanation for they sudden suckage is that they don't train as hard as foreigners : bullshit)
It's indeed as much bullshit as saying all foreigners are doped because they do better then the clean French people. The only thing I disagree with in your statement is what you're implying... I agree with what you wrote, and as it's you I won't be sarcastic : I never said (or you'd better find a quote) that all foreigners are doped nor that no French rider is doped (and neither did I say it nor is it my opinion).
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-09-2008 11:11
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Well ok then. I agree French riders have not forgot to train. But there are some French teams with completely outdated methods. You heard Clements stories about Bouygues right? 
And it's no suprise either that all Belgians leave Cofidis this year. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-09-2008 11:20
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I heard Clement stories yes, and there a couple of things to tell about it. He was riding a 6 hours session at low pace with his team mate.
The fact that he wasn't used to do it previously doesn't mean it's a waste of time, I mean Bouygues can't train like that (and do nothing else) all year long. There are reasons for riding like that, either recuperation, either "base endurance" (I'm not sure how to call it in English).
If Bouygues methods were that bad, then Clement wouldn't have had the best results of his (young) career while being there either.
About Codifidis letting its Belgians go (+ Chavanel) it's mostly that they didn't have the budget to keep them and they were too expensive, they'll only have 22 riders next season, instead of 30, and a much lower budget.
It's sad for them though, they had built a nice team for cobbles races, but such races didn't fit the sponsor's marketing objectives (cycling sponsorship is about capitalism in the end), and Nuyens and Scheirlinckx were dangerous to keep, it was crystal clear to me those two would never get their contracts extented at Cofidis. |
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| Rin |
Posted on 27-09-2008 11:24
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I think that the Fight against doping started with Puerto but why :
How could it be that a whole team was doped but could start 1999 , 2000 and 2001?
How could it be that a team were 3 riders were caught and couldn´t partipiciate at the Tour for one year?
Also the Fight is just a joke , still riders (I think that at least very very much riders are doped) are doping (teams) , riders who said against doping (Sinkewitz and Jaksche) and about the team structures (Jaksche) couldn´t find a team (Jaksche especially said the most with Voet and the former Telekom masseur how they are , do you think they are happy with their life now? If they are at some road races , they aren´t very much welcomed , they should better leave) and also doping tests aren´t very much effective , the countries should do more , locate the networks and destory them , it can´t be that Contador can fly over the mountains because the Puerto Files were revised and the country seems to be a little bit lazy
Also I think that more talent then doping is important , you can dope and have not much talent but train , but it´s much more effective if you dope and have talent and training... Voeckler isn´t good , Moreau was after Festina affair stronger (2005 11th , 2006 he was 8th? but there were much strong rider who haven´t partipiciated) , Casper is Mister Train (Number 2 in Sprint in a team) etc. also it can´t be that Förster is for example better than Casper , maybe training has a lot to do with that , maybe also the attitude like Merckx said to Ullrich sometimes "If he grew up in Flandres , he would have won several times the Tour , it´s just a question of attitude" (or something like that)
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 27-09-2008 19:35
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issoisso wrote:
Phanekim wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
It's hardly news, though, is it?
Shleck was first mentioned as being Basso's amigo by a dutch newspaper around 2 years ago....
As long as all the ex-Kelme riders are free to go about their business, then so too should Frank.
That's why it's also ridiculous to get angry with riders that (try to) dope, like Basso....
yeah the whole "amigo de birillo" is weak.
I'm more fascinated with the retroactive testing. With 30 suspected riders, if a bunch of them get busted...it could mean the final end to this transition of doping culture to a clean one....and that started with puerto. I'm curious who the 30 suspicious riders are...one topic that should be raised is...if a csc rider gets busted...one has to wonder the quality of internal testing is...especially from an expert like damsgaard.
The truth is...epo is a lot easier to detect than autologous blood doping. I think what messed with riders heads is the fact that they did not bet that the tour would retroactively test samples...which could set a new precedent, something i like. Internal testing + new regulations/laws could focus on making autologous doping unfeasible. Its hard to stay optimistic but i really do think cycling can be clean in the future.
my prediction...at least a big name will go down.
There is still no test for autologous transfusions and still no way for one to trigger a positive
Also, this rectroactive testing was already announced a while ago, they have confirmed that the names will not be revealed and that no one will be charged based on these tests.
They're simply to gather information on who they should target with the same inane useless out of competition tests they've been doing for years.
although no positive, thats what longitudinal testing and also baseline testing comes into play. THe results would at least narrow in on who's suspicious. LIke i said again, with law enforcement coming down on docs...etc etc...autologous even though the hardest one to detect...is still very hard to conduct/run.
the retroactive testing was announced long ago...yes. However, they are officially ready to test the samples...so its curious to see who this net grabs. |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 27-09-2008 19:37
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Bettini has confirmed his retirement. Tomorrow's world road race will be his last ever professional race.
EDIT: I realise that this was posted now in the wc thread, but I still think it's general cycling newsworthy
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 27-09-2008 20:42
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speaking of doping
CSC have called a press conference tomorrow in Varese at 12.30 ?
Unless something heavy is going on, they really have a weird sence of timing. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-09-2008 22:14
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No Aquarius, that is not true. Clements schedule at Bouygues was very weird, with not much cycling (he is used to way longer training @ rabo) and 2 hours swimming.
He switched back to his Rabo training after 1 month. So all the results he had at Bouygues, where with his old Rabo training schedules...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-09-2008 10:29
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brun sweater wrote:
speaking of doping
CSC have called a press conference tomorrow in Varese at 12.30 ?
Unless something heavy is going on, they really have a weird sence of timing.
I can almost guarantee you that it has nothing to do with Schleck. Did you read the press invite? It says something about "a bite / dinner after the press conference". I doubt that you would invite the press on dinner after having told them that Schleck will be fired due to doping.
No, it's much more likely that they are going to announce a co-sponsor. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-09-2008 10:43
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Ruben wrote:
No Aquarius, that is not true. Clements schedule at Bouygues was very weird, with not much cycling (he is used to way longer training @ rabo) and 2 hours swimming.
He switched back to his Rabo training after 1 month. So all the results he had at Bouygues, where with his old Rabo training schedules...
Try again Aqua! Try again! That was probably Winter training anyway... The slowest rides are usually made in the Winter (October November, at worst December). Usually swimming pool is given up in December or early January. Swimming makes your heart work at the same beat that a long and slow 6 hours ride anyway, so that made sense, no matter that Clement found it useless.
If Bouygues really trained like that all year long, with no intensities (interval training), no longer rides, etc. they wouldn't have their current level but sucky amateurs (sucky among amateurs, not sucky amateurs compared to pros), which is still far from being case, they're average Pro Tour riders for most of them. |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 28-09-2008 11:20
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CrueTrue wrote:
brun sweater wrote:
speaking of doping
CSC have called a press conference tomorrow in Varese at 12.30 ?
Unless something heavy is going on, they really have a weird sence of timing.
I can almost guarantee you that it has nothing to do with Schleck. Did you read the press invite? It says something about "a bite / dinner after the press conference". I doubt that you would invite the press on dinner after having told them that Schleck will be fired due to doping.
No, it's much more likely that they are going to announce a co-sponsor.
Yeah, you're probably right, but the timing is weird. They announce a press conference with one days notice. The conference will take place during the world championship race. All journalist will be asking about Schlecks and Riis' alleged connection to Fuentes!
Doesn't seem like they're thinking straight? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-09-2008 11:35
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CSC has announced a new co-sponsor, IT-Factory, at the press conference:
https://www.teamcs...?n_id=2142
Edited by CrueTrue on 28-09-2008 11:35
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 28-09-2008 11:53
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Nice, their logo looks similar to CSC. It will fit rather nice onto the jersey. Do you think Saxo-Banks budget will be bigger next year? |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 28-09-2008 13:51
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Hugh Porter is getting rather excited about this:
The tour of britian has invited Lance Armstrong and the Astana team to race next year. But they've said they'd really most want Lance to be there.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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