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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-02-2008 16:14
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https://www.lequip...33Dev.html (French language inside).
I guess that they didn't find any product, but proofs of the use of products. Must be that thing about having childish hormon values, etc. But if I remind well there were about 6 riders involved, not only Di Luca. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-02-2008 16:15
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Aquarius wrote:
Must be that thing about having childish hormon values, etc. But if I remind well there were about 6 riders involved, not only Di Luca.
about the child hormone values stuff, I only remember Di Luca being mentioned back then
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-02-2008 16:28
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I think there were also Simoni, Ricco, Piepoli and two others (all were Italians), I may be wrong though.
The explanation to those low values is quite simple actually. Some hormons are anabolic (makes you grow muscles) during some periods of the year or under certain conditions, but become catabolic (makes you lose your muscular mass) under some other conditions.
So, in order to grow the more muscles, the involved rider(s) managed to lower their hormons rate during that certain period. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-02-2008 16:34
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Aquarius wrote:
managed to lower their hormons rate during that certain period.
so you're saying we should look for riders with naturally no body hair? 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 27-02-2008 17:34
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Silence - Lotto, Quick Step and Euskaltel have said they will definitely take part in Paris - Nice. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-02-2008 07:47
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Riders corporations, and teams, have said they wish to "practice their job" no matter what. Let's now wait for UCI to commit suicide by excluding the TDF and asking the teams and riders not to go there.  |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 28-02-2008 08:44
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Aquarius wrote:
they wish to "practice their job" no matter what
... said the butcher to the sheeps?
.... in other words, the teams and riders have no backbone whatsoever? If anybody should be interested in a transparent set of rules and conditions, it should be the riders and the teams!
Not that the UCI have proven themselves capable of providing stability in the realm of pro cycling, but it seems that the teams and riders are being driven around like small girls at a beautycontest?
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| rodda |
Posted on 28-02-2008 08:50
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and im sure all this commotion will do wonders for the eradication of doping 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-02-2008 09:09
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brun sweater wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
they wish to "practice their job" no matter what
... said the butcher to the sheeps?
.... in other words, the teams and riders have no backbone whatsoever? If anybody should be interested in a transparent set of rules and conditions, it should be the riders and the teams!
Not that the UCI have proven themselves capable of providing stability in the realm of pro cycling, but it seems that the teams and riders are being driven around like small girls at a beautycontest? Well, let's see how it works.
It's all about capitalism and fame, isn't it ?
Sponsors pay teams and riders so that they appear and get publicity from big events broadcasted on TV.
Riders want to ride big events to get fame and money.
Who cares among sponsors, teams or riders whether it's all ruled by ASO (and ASO likes) or UCI ?
That's why you shouldn't expect teams or riders to say they don't want to ride Paris-Nice.
I bet all that realm is too coward to split for good, and it would probably harm the sport hugely, but wouldn't the best solution be two different circuits ?
One ruled by UCI with riders' rights respected, powerful exploits, new races to the calendar, and no doping scandals. The other one ruled by ASO, with weakest riders, tactical races, some dope scandals every now and then, riders heavily controlled, and traditional races.
I bet both circuits would claim their riders are cleaner, the first because there would never be dope scandals, the other one because they'd seek and find cheaters. Who would be right ? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-02-2008 09:21
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The funny thing of all this chaos is that both the UCI and ASO forget the ones who are really "in charge" -- the teams and the riders. They fight out their battles as if the riders don't exist - but after all, with no riders, there are no races. They should just once and for al get this sorted out. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-02-2008 10:02
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Cipollini is already acting like a primadonna He has said to Ball that he wants to get rid of Sevilla, Botero and Hamilton - and if they don't go, he will go. He acknowledges the fact that Ball is the owner, but also states that right after Ball, he (Cipo) is in charge 
He also said that he can make sure that the team will be invited to Milano - San Remo if he's 100 % in charge.
In other news: Astana has been invited to the Tour of Romandie. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-02-2008 10:11
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CrueTrue wrote:
The funny thing of all this chaos is that both the UCI and ASO forget the ones who are really "in charge" -- the teams and the riders. They fight out their battles as if the riders don't exist - but after all, with no riders, there are no races. They should just once and for al get this sorted out.
the problem is the riders themselves can't agree on anything. which is normal considering there are so many of them. and because they can never take a stance, they always get run over.
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Cipollini is already acting like a primadonna
In other news, the transparent substance inside the bottle to my right is wet
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-02-2008 11:18
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About Di Luca, if he's given a 2 year suspension, wouldn't that also mean that he'd lose his 07 Giro 'd Italia-title? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-02-2008 12:45
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If the suspension is based on a control done during that race, then yes, he should lose the benefit of everything he won that day and since that day.
Thus you Nordic people can start celebrating, till Riis' team also gets involved in something. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-02-2008 13:13
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Riis is just as good as Bruyneel at hiding doping so that won't happen
Anyway, Andy Schleck can already write GC-winner on his CV then  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-02-2008 13:24
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In other news, The scariest moment of my life just happened, as I stumbled across an image on google image search of Gilberto Simoni naked wearing only shoes posing for some sort of ad
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-02-2008 14:21
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CrueTrue wrote:
Cipollini is already acting like a primadonna He has said to Ball that he wants to get rid of Sevilla, Botero and Hamilton - and if they don't go, he will go. He acknowledges the fact that Ball is the owner, but also states that right after Ball, he (Cipo) is in charge
He also said that he can make sure that the team will be invited to Milano - San Remo if he's 100 % in charge.
He is pushing on correct button..If Rock racing is up for just advertisement campaigne..then they should listening him (even in this case..they can get different reaction).
I dont understand Cippo goal for this.
Get rid ex dopers..and this will get them Milano-San remo invitation..?
He hates situation when someone else will get better results then he? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-02-2008 21:50
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Probably the wrong thread for this, but I just found an interesting tidbit of information from a 3 year old article.
Look at Caisse with that huge budget. the budget is all courtesy of the Caisse d'Epargne company. Who sponsors the team because they were denied sponsorship of the Bouyges team who "couldn't take them on. there was no room for more advertising on the team kit".
Can you imagine Bouyges with that budget?
Edited by issoisso on 28-02-2008 21:50
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-02-2008 22:31
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Missed oportunity..strong..rich french team I would like to see that one. |
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| chuckie |
Posted on 28-02-2008 22:40
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But I guess it was never meant to be |
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