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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 25-09-2013 16:44
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Not functioning here either.
About Vaughters, I did hear about that quote, but I've never seen the actual quote appearing anywhere. Might as well be made up. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:05
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Here's it's functioning, just takes a lot of time to load the page's. Btw, a member on another PCM website wrote this:
22.Aug
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 15.2 g/dL
hematocrit 45.4 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.5 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.5 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 100.0 fL
OFF-Score 96.70
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.54 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0386 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.85 %
29. AUg
haemoglobin 14.4 g/dL
hematocrit 42.7 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.7 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.5 fL
OFF-Score 106.53
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.29 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0167 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.39 %
03.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 13.5 g/dL
hematocrit 40.0 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.4 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.8 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.0 fL
OFF-Score 90.91
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.04 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0218 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.54 %
07.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.3 g/dL
hematocrit 42.9 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.0 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.3 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.1 fL
OFF-Score 98.50
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.33 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0238 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.55 %
14.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.6 g/dL
hematocrit 43.1 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.9 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.3 fL
OFF-Score 101.10
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.34 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0243 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.56 %
It's basically Horner's level during Vuelta. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:12
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I'm quite a noob at this, but is it normal hematocrit first decreases and then suddenly rises again during a GT?
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:27
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Retics and Hct look a bit suspect in my limited knowledge. I could be completely wrong though. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:33
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Did that motherfucker just knowingly admit to the world that his HcT rose while retics lowered and his off-score was over 100????????
Is he TRYING to get suspended?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:34
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issoisso wrote:
Did that motherfucker just knowingly admit to the world that his HcT rose while retics lowered and his off-score was over 100????????
Is he TRYING to get suspended?
And now in English, please?  |
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| Stairs |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:39
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It's been some years since I was really into this but it seems quite suspicious. I mean, in the span of sept. 3-14, his hgb and hct rise considerally without it showing much in his retics. His retics are only around 0,55% on the close of the Vuelta, nonetheless he gets quite a lot more red blood cells - that compared to pre-Vuelta when his retics numbers were 0,85%, from whereon he lost number of blood cells compared to the week after. That'd be blood doping.
And, of course, your hgb and hct just shouldn't rise during the Vuelta. So yeah, he was doping. Like we knew he was.
Never.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:39
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Ian Butler wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Did that motherfucker just knowingly admit to the world that his HcT rose while retics lowered and his off-score was over 100????????
Is he TRYING to get suspended?
And now in English, please?
HcT and Hemoglobin (simple english: red blood cells quantity) goes down due to effort. Suddenly it went up. Blood bag.
At the same time, retics (young blood cells that aren't fully developed yet, meaning they were produced in the last few hours) went down. That's the body saying "WOW, way too much blood, must stop producing new ones now". Also blood bag indicator.
Off-score is the result of a formula calculation using other parameters. Large variation = either blood withdrawn or re-infused. +6 would be about the biggest variation you could consider normal. His varies by what? 16?
Edited by issoisso on 25-09-2013 17:40
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:41
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So this shows what we all knew right? The question is: how much time the fools at WADA to do something against it? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:41
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issoisso wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Did that motherfucker just knowingly admit to the world that his HcT rose while retics lowered and his off-score was over 100????????
Is he TRYING to get suspended?
And now in English, please?
HcT and Hemoglobin (simple english: red blood cells quantity) goes down due to effort. Suddenly it went up. Blood bag.
At the same time, retics (young blood cells that aren't fully developed yet, meaning they were produced in the last few hours) went down. That's the body saying "WOW, way too much blood, must stop producing new ones now". Also blood bag indicator.
Off-score is the result of a formula calculation using other parameters. Large variation = either blood withdrawn or re-infused
Okay, thanks!
Well, nothing we didn't know, I guess. At least he wasn't that stupid to use EPO. Just that stupid to use blood bags to win the Vuelta as an 80 year old |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:42
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Stairs wrote:
It's been some years since I was really into this but it seems quite suspicious. I mean, in the span of sept. 3-14, his hgb and hct rise considerally without it showing much in his retics. His retics are only around 0,55% on the close of the Vuelta, nonetheless he gets quite a lot more red blood cells - that compared to pre-Vuelta when his retics numbers were 0,85%, from whereon he lost number of blood cells compared to the week after. That'd be blood doping.
And, of course, your hgb and hct just shouldn't rise during the Vuelta. So yeah, he was doping. Like we knew he was.
Yes, that too. There aren't enough retics in his body to explain the growth in haemoglobin or haematocrit later on. Blood bag evidence number 1
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:42
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Selwink wrote:
I'm quite a noob at this, but is it normal hematocrit first decreases and then suddenly rises again during a GT?
It all depends on the definition of normal but if we are talking on a actual human sense it would be very unlikely. I will hasten to add I am not a medical expert 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:52
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Looking at all the values, not just this Vuelta, he has a 40 point window of Off-Scores.
I'm sorry, is it April 1st somewhere?  HOW IS THIS GUY NOT BANNED
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:55
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issoisso wrote:
Looking at all the values, not just this Vuelta, he has a 40 point window of Off-Scores.
I'm sorry, is it April 1st somewhere? HOW IS THIS GUY NOT BANNED
I guess same reason why so many others are not banned.
UCI is just too damn good and pure |
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| Stairs |
Posted on 25-09-2013 17:59
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issoisso wrote:
Looking at all the values, not just this Vuelta, he has a 40 point window of Off-Scores.
I'm sorry, is it April 1st somewhere? HOW IS THIS GUY NOT BANNED
Lol that's incredible. Chapeau to the guy for releasing his bio-passport but seriously, this is much like when Armstrong and Rasmussen did it: Only points in one direction and it really seems, once again, most of all as a media stunt, a way to generate the argument of "I released my blood values, would I have done so if guilty?" - as anyone with a bit of an understanding of this can clearly see that the values are way off natural standards.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 18:04
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All the MCVs and a few of the Retic values are outside normal range. Then there's the patterns isso mentioned. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 18:06
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So, why in the hell doesn't he get banned? |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-09-2013 18:06
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You have to hand it to Horner, he has been getting away with it for some time and just wants to show how easy it is to get away with it when so blatantly cheating. Maybe he really digs Cookson and wants this to embarrass McQauid 
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-09-2013 18:06
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Sorry for the double posts guys my phone is being a arse
Edited by Strydz on 25-09-2013 18:08
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2013 18:08
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Strydz wrote:
You have to hand it to Horner, he has been getting away with it for some time and just wants to show how easy it is to get away with it when so blatantly cheating. Maybe he really digs Cookson and wants this to embarrass McQauid
No. USADA tough are looking dumbasses. They went all deep to uncover Armstrong with Horner involved btw and now this appears and they haven't even said nothing. |
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