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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-10-2012 13:45
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fcancellara wrote:
Jimmy Casper signs with AG2R
The other post only stated that Peiper had left Garmin, this one tell us where he has gone 
Mind you I do like a good Casper, maybe we should move on to Danny Pate 
Edited by Strydz on 18-10-2012 13:46
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-10-2012 14:41
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Danny Pate joins AG2R?  |
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 18-10-2012 14:50
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I dont think so..
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-10-2012 14:50
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whitejersey wrote:
I dont think so..
It was a joke.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 18-10-2012 14:52
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I know ;-)
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 18-10-2012 23:05
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Niki "everyone knows Johnny Hoogerland and I are on the dope" Terpstra's take on the Armstrong mess.
Terpstra says that those implicated in USADA’s Reasoned Decision are from an era that has little to do with the current crop of young cyclists. While he’s witnessed a number of doping scandals since turning professional with Team Milram in 2007 he hopes it’s a theme that, at least in this instance, will be short-lived.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-10-2012 23:50
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In other words, "Don't talk about ze doping"
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 18-10-2012 23:53
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Deadpool wrote:
Niki "everyone knows Johnny Hoogerland and I are on the dope" Terpstra's take on the Armstrong mess.
Terpstra says that those implicated in USADA’s Reasoned Decision are from an era that has little to do with the current crop of young cyclists. While he’s witnessed a number of doping scandals since turning professional with Team Milram in 2007 he hopes it’s a theme that, at least in this instance, will be short-lived.
....Wait what? What on earth are you talking about?
Yes I am Dutch, but I have never ever seen anyone make such a statement at all about either Terpstra or Hoogerland. From my perspective, it seems quite unlikely that 'everyone knows they are on drugs'. Could you please provide some kind of reference to that statement, any form of speculation at all, any circumstantial evidence as to why either Terpstra or Hoogerland can be linked to doping?
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 18-10-2012 23:59
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Quite well known, that. I've been told by a good source who found out from a good source. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 19-10-2012 00:02
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Yeah its pretty common knowledge about Terpstra ever since he did well a few years back for Milram, and Hoogerland is one of the more suspicious riders from the blood passport report a year or two back, I seem to recall.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-10-2012 00:04
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ShortsNL wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Niki "everyone knows Johnny Hoogerland and I are on the dope" Terpstra's take on the Armstrong mess.
Terpstra says that those implicated in USADA’s Reasoned Decision are from an era that has little to do with the current crop of young cyclists. While he’s witnessed a number of doping scandals since turning professional with Team Milram in 2007 he hopes it’s a theme that, at least in this instance, will be short-lived.
....Wait what? What on earth are you talking about?
Yes I am Dutch, but I have never ever seen anyone make such a statement at all about either Terpstra or Hoogerland. From my perspective, it seems quite unlikely that 'everyone knows they are on drugs'. Could you please provide some kind of reference to that statement, any form of speculation at all, any circumstantial evidence as to why either Terpstra or Hoogerland can be linked to doping?
I mean, to me it sounds like you literally only just made this up.
Isso can give you some more depth, but I've heard from multiple people that Terpstra and Hoogerland are well known as dopers dating back to their Junior days, and that's it's kind of an open secret within the Dutch racing community. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 19-10-2012 00:54
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I just finished doing some research on both of them.
Seems like the primary reasons for suspicion on Hoogerland are:
-Great season in 2009, then he was tested loads in the off-season by his own admission, average since.
-tested positive for high testosterone a very long time ago (1998 I believe), supposedly it was ok because he has naturally high testosterone. Isso mentions Ricco as a similar example on CN.
-After his 2011 TdF crash, people are interpreting certain marks on his rear as possible needle marks.
About Terpstra:
-His most prominent link to doping seems his membership (2007-2010) of the Milram team which had several doping suspensions in 2007 and 2008. Milram Manager Gianluigi Stanga was accused of actively distributing it by Jörg Jacksche.
-During the 2007-2008 years his most prominent results were KoM jersey in the Deutschland Tour, 4th Overall Three Days of de Panne, Combative Rider for Stage 13, Tour de France. Personally I don't think these are suprising results that suggest doping.
-During those years he had teammates like Brett Lancaster, Christian Knees and Peter Velits. I think it's a bit unfair to put all of them down as dopers just because they rode for Milram in '07-08.
For both of them, the links made are circumstantial, and sometimes have fallacies in them. All the links do add up though, and so I'm definitely going to look at them from now on with a more critical eye. Thanks for the feedback, if you guys have anything else to add to both of them feel free to do so. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-10-2012 01:05
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isso can give you more when he comes back around. There isn't any sort of direct evidence against them, it's more of a wink wink sort of thing... |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 19-10-2012 08:02
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Rabobank just announced they will stop sponsoring the Pro Team next year.
https://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/...loegen.xmlDUTCH!
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| Vien |
Posted on 19-10-2012 08:12
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So this is bye bye Rabobank? Surely they'll disband now?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 19-10-2012 08:17
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Wow. Very surprising and sad if true.
Wonder what wil happen to the riders though. I guess Cannondale will be licking their lips. I feel sorry for the guys that signed with Rabo this year. Vanmarcke ( if he did sign at all that is.. Bobridge ? And others. Damn ;/
Edited by Alakagom on 19-10-2012 08:18
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 19-10-2012 08:29
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so when argos becomes pro tour level we still have two dutch teams...  |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 19-10-2012 08:32
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Will they be able to find another (Dutch) sponsor?
I suppose the team will close completely - let the hunt begin!
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabob...ling-teams
And: Sad indeed to lose such a long-lasting sponsor
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| Vien |
Posted on 19-10-2012 09:03
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Press conference in 20 mins: https://nos.nl/nie...ournaal24/ (NL only).
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-10-2012 09:07
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Real classy Rabobank, announce youre not continuing next year .. on October 19th. Nice way to screw over a load of riders and team staff, if they now have to hunt for other teams when there is no space left.
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